I've been getting into creating some logos for a business idea of mine, and I've been using Pixelmator and Vector Designer (macheist bundle) to get some ideas flowing but I'm finding that i can't seem to get the desired effect that i want. Am i using crippled (for lack of a better word) programs? basically at the moment I'm trying to get a 3d effect in my font with life like colors (as if light was reflecting off of the object) but everything i make seems flat (even with shadows) and kinda cheesy looking like i made it in MS paint. Now given that I'm quite the newbie in graphical design, does the adobe suite offer me something to create these or is it just something i'm doing wrong or could do with the programs i have. thanks.