So long free speech.

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  1. yaxomoxay macrumors 68000

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    this is on CNN so it can't be true right? of course violence should not be used in protesting.
    though the people at brightbart are pretty stupid thinking students want to hear the alt-right though.
     
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    I don't care about Breitbart, actually they can close today for what I care. I will protect speech from left, right, up, down, nazi, socialists, communists, etc.
    I even supported the Occupy Wall St.'s right to speak.
     
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    the left is who exactly? it is getting old these huge brushes painted by the right (sarcasm)
     
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    You should not throw out generalized condemnation for something like this as a product of the left , although I sometimes do it (for the right) when I am thinking of particular groups within a group. :)

    You make it sound like the left is one big organized group with a single purpose. These are people, so there is no lock on common will or common views about what is right or wrong. I can see Bretbart talking heads being despised, but acknowledge their right to speak. Protestors should have been allowed to protest, but speakers should be allowed to speak, as long as they don't preach hate.

    How do you feel about Trump refusing to take the heat questions? Most adult politicians are expected to be able to field uncomfortable questions as part of their job requirement and competency.
     
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    The greatest threat to the Totalitarian Left are the ideas of the Dissident Right.

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    The greatest threat to the Totalitarian Right are the ideas of the Dissident Left. :)
     
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    Granted the protesters are intolerant but what does this have to do with losing our right to free speech? The Chancellor even expressed frustration with the protesters.
     
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    Lol, evidently not and the protesters want to keep it that way.
     
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    It appears that some people have a decidedly imperfect understanding of what constitutes both "free speech" and "totalitarianism."

    Like it or not, people making public protests are engaging in free speech. As members of the University community, the protesters were well within their rights to publicly voice their opposition to the message of the speaker - Martin Shkreli, a self-involved ****** who sought to enrich himself by raising the price of a particular medication by 5600%.

    Such a message was bound to be controversial. Just as it would be controversial if Louis Farrakhan or Larry Flynt were to schedule a speech at Bob Jones University.

    Shkreli's speech was not restricted by the university administration, by the police, or by the city or state government. That would, indeed, constitute a version of "totalitarianism." Instead his scheduled appearance on campus constituted a security hazard that outweighed whatever right he had to utilize University facilities. Mr Shkreli is free to spread his message in a venue where it will be more welcomed and less likely to incite a riot.
     
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    Omg I see what you did there. You switched the words "right" and "left". Powerful message. We're so lucky that you toy with us.
     
  16. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    This is exactly right. If you squelch the protestors, then you can't claim to be in favor of free speech. There is no obligation on their part to acquiesce to a controversial campus speaker. It's their right to voice their dissent.

    Difficult speech isn't easy to endure, but we allow it in many other cases. Abortion clinics have long seen protestors haranguing women as they sought treatment. The Westboro Baptist Church had the right to spread it's hateful messages at funerals of dead soldiers.

    There is no right to be free of negative reactions, and it would appear that the OP and others don't embrace that understanding.
     
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    Short reply because I'm on the go, but if you can't see the difference between a regularly scheduled and organized event and a non scheduled event aimed at disrupting, interrupting, and finally stop the first event then I don't know what to tell you.
    I don't mind that they showed up. I don't mind that they chanted something, or that they had signs against the regular event. I DO mind however when the aim and final result is to stop the other guy from talking.
     
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    "Some people's idea of free speech is that they are free to say what they like, but if anyone says anything back, that is an outrage."Winston S. Churchill

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    It sounds that this might fall under the UCOP, Policies Applying to Campus Activities, Organizations and Students. If so, I wonder if disciplinary measures are being considered.

    http://policy.ucop.edu/doc/2710530/PACAOS-100

    http://catalog.ucdavis.edu/advising/conduct.html
     
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    Let us know when you've fully transcended, then. Perhaps you might choose to express yourself actively, instead of relying on rather wooly headed ideas of "acceptability."
     
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    Agreed. Stopping him from speaking is pretty dumb because they're just making themselves look like the bad guys. What was that saying about if you stop a man from speaking you make what he eventually says that much more important?
     
  23. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    This isn't the first thread where he's been preoccupied with rudeness.

    Manners are apparently of paramount importance to him.
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    The protestors didn't have the power to stop him from speaking. They were outside the building.

    That was a decision made by others, not the protestors.
     
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    I believe it's absolutely disrespectful to create such a ruckus to prevent individuals from speaking at an organized, prescheduled event. I would be the first to say I am not a fan on either of the mentioned characters. But they have the right to speak in peace just as much as anyone else, even if you don't agree. This isn't a left vs right issue, but the issue of a selection of people who made the decision to become obnoxious.

    Exactly, it sounds like the school made the right choice to cancel the event for everyone's safety. College police/security forces are generally quite small and if they can't accommodate the protest and speakers, as well as the needs rest of the campus, then they have no choice but to cancel the speakers.
     

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