So this is a thing? Make soldier's pay into G.I. Bill?

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  1. JayMysterio macrumors 6502

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    http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/gi-bill-benefits-new-fees-future-enlistees-house-lawmakers

    WASHINGTON — A congressional proposal to make service members buy into their Post-9/11 GI Bill benefits surprised veterans groups on Tuesday, with advocates divided over whether it amounts to a long-term fix for the benefit or an unfair bill for veterans.

    “This new tax on troops is absurd,” said Veterans of Foreign Wars National Commander Brian Duffy in a statement. “Ensuring veterans are able to successfully transition back to civilian life after military service is a cost of war, and not a fee that Congress can just pass along to our troops.

    “Congress must stop nickeling and diming America’s service members and veterans.”

    The plan — draft legislation from House Veterans Affairs Committee Chairman Phil Roe, R-Tenn. — would deduct $2,400 from future service members’ paychecks to establish eligibility for revamped post-military education benefits. This was first reported Tuesday by Task & Purpose.


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  2. BoxerGT2.5 macrumors 68000

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    I didn't read the link, but wasn't there a "buy up" option with the Montgomery GI bill?
     
  3. DrewDaHilp1 macrumors 6502a

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    You have old GI Bill and you have Post 9/11 GI Bill. You paid for the old GI Bill as well. It's been a long time so I don't remember what the cost was other than it was a lot less than you would receive in benefits. Old GI paid for tuition and books. Post 9/11 ran from the same funds as old GI Bill, but pays tuition, books and BAH(housing allowance based on zip code). It's not sustainable the way it's currently being funded and run. $2400 sounds like a lot, but two things to think about. 1. It's not a lump sum payment it's paid over the course of your contract, so min. of 2 years. 2. The pay out is far great than you pay in.
     
  4. BarracksSi Suspended

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    I remember paying into the GI Bill during my first year [or two] of active duty. I don't think this is anything new.

    This was almost 17 years ago, though. I'd have to find my old LESes to see what my paycheck did.
     
  5. DrewDaHilp1 macrumors 6502a

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    Yes I think it was called the GI Bill Kicker. It was a thing during my time.
     
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    Post 9/11 version (which we automatically were enrolled in if we had started before it was implemented) could also be transferred to dependent family members, which was great if the service member wasn't planning to pursue post-secondary education after EASing (like myself) but needs help to defray the costs of college for the spouse and kids (true for many vets because active duty pay wasn't ever that great anyway).
     
  7. BoxerGT2.5 macrumors 68000

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    OK so this is nothing new other than a potential headline for someone to say "Trump and the republicans are making vets pay for college now", when they've been contributing forever. They will still receive 1000X's more than they ever pay in.
     
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    (reading the story now)

    So, wait a minute...

    The Post 9/11 GI Bill didn't require a buy-in like I did for my Montgomery GI Bill (which I guess you'd call "Pre 9/11")?

    I vaguely remember this now. I think we weren't too upset about not having our original buy-in refunded because we knew that the program needed the money -- and, in some way, we got it back through using the Post 9/11 benefits.
     
  9. DrewDaHilp1 macrumors 6502a

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    Yes.

    Old GI Bill
    Pay-In $1200+$600 for Kicker
    Pay-Out Over the 36-month life of the MGIB-SR/Kicker combo, it can pay anywhere from $15,732 (at $100 per month), to $24,732(at $350 per month).

    And never mind that if the Veteran chooses not to use it, that the benefit is transferable to a dependent.
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    To my understanding the Post 9/11 still doesn't require a buy in. That's what this article is about adding a buy-in.
     
  10. BarracksSi Suspended

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    Oh, definitely.

    But remember, what vets receive also comes from vets like me who haven't -- and might not ever -- use the full benefits even though we've already bought-in.

    I've got 36 months of benefits available to me. That's not "three years of college", but 36 months' worth -- if I go to college for just Fall and Spring semesters, that's about 9 months a year, which equates to 4 years anyway.

    To get them all, I would need to use them before 15 years passes, or my eligibility lapses and the funds set aside for me go into the general fund.

    If, however, I just use two years (or 18 months) and just get a Master's, and I don't pursue anything higher, my remaining benefits go into the general GI Bill fund after the 15-year mark.

    I've got another ten years to decide whether to go back to school. If I keep doing well, I might not bother. And if my unused benefits can help a younger veteran, I'm glad to help.
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    If a buy-in can help the program survive, I'm all for it. I don't remember how I would've spent that extra thousand bucks during my first enlistment, but believe me, I'm glad I have the option of getting school paid for now.
     
  11. DrewDaHilp1 macrumors 6502a

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    If you were like me and my guys, beer, smokes, dip, whatever stupid item of the pay period was.:D
     
  12. Chew Toy McCoy macrumors regular

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    Is this part of the trillion dollars Rumsfeld announced the military couldn’t account for the day before 9/11?
     
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    Yep...extra words so not to break the no one word rule post.
     
  14. DrewDaHilp1 macrumors 6502a

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    GI Bill is run through the DOVA not the DOD.
     
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    20-something years ago, I clearly remember signing the forms in boot camp that would authorize a $100 deduction every month for my first year of enlistment.

    After I got out of the Navy, I used my GI Bill (I think the payment was around $1000/mo at the time) to go back to school, and finish up my BS in engineering.

    If I had to make the decision again now, I'd be ecstatic to only pay $1200 for that benefit, and even more so to pay $2400 for a substantially better benefit.

    Non story.
     
  16. Chew Toy McCoy macrumors regular

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    Of course it is. We don’t want the bottomless DOD slush fund that never gets questioned going to washed up has-beens.
     
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    I was wondering how you remembered any details about boot camp. I just remember kneeling one one knee and filling out a stack of papers weighing half a pound while yelling "AYE SIR" over and over. Then I got a haircut and a bag of underwear. After that, my memory got even foggier.

    Then you wrote:

    Ah, that's why. ;)
     
  18. DrewDaHilp1 macrumors 6502a

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    I remember the roaches in the DFAC, how I hated KP, and the time I high fived the Drills knife hands. Everything else about basic and AIT is a blur.
     
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    Ballsy. I would've ended up being thrown out of the fourth floor window if I tried that -- and our squadbays only had three floors.
     
  20. Snoopy4 macrumors 6502a

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    When I went in I paid $100 a month for my first full year to get $10k for school. That was in 1989, so what's the big deal? I think my benefit was 24 month and I got 6 more months from the ANG tacked on.
     
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    When I was in I already had graduated from college so I wasn't eligible for the GI Bill! They instead offered me the LRP, if I signed up for at least 4 years in and I took it on the 26Y then after 2 years they re-classed my MOS!

    Kids in the Barracks couldn't understand when by the age of 27 I was running through the barracks shouting out that at that point I was dept free! My brother had finally sold my house and I just received the confirmation that all my Student Loans were paid off! I even made a profit on the sale of my first house!

    I look at it as this was the first time the Government actually lived up to it's promises. ;)
     
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    Troops should pay $0 for their education after service, but it doesn't appear that this is anything new.
     
  23. PracticalMac macrumors 68030

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    So it is an optional program to down pay education when you are discharged?
    Considering the cost of tuition today, $2400 is cheap compared to the $60,000(?) 4 years of collage cost.
     
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    Troops should be hired at the cheapest possible rates and than care for themselves after being released.
    Everything else is nasty socialism !!
     
  25. DrewDaHilp1 macrumors 6502a

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    Basically. I don't believe it would cover 100% of 60k in tuition though. There are limits, at least there were with the old GI Bill. I know when I joined it was completely optional, now I am not sure.
     

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