So who is paying for the border wall?

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  1. LovingTeddy macrumors 68000

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    Trump is willing to shutdown the government if Congress not approve his border wall spending. But I thought he promised repeatly that the Mexicans are paying for the border wall. So where is the pay cheque from Mexico?

    He said he is good at deal making. So what happened to NAFTA negotiation? He doesn't think his team can pull this off, so US under his watch will just walk away, like a 5 years old boy can't get along with his friends....

    Trump trains is going fast and furious in the wrong direction and US is becoming laugh stock everyday. I am starting to like Trump. Best gift for us Chinese.
     
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    I think the Democrats will call Trump's bluff and filibuster anything with funding for a border wall, that will give the Republican's a choice, have the first shutdown in history when all branches of government are under one party control, hope that Trump won't actually veto a spending bill and pass one without the border wall, or work with the dems to develop a veto proof majority on a spending bill that is acceptable to moderates of both parties.

    I think if that happens the Republican's won't fund the wall, and it won't hurt them too much with their base. The third of Republican voters that wanted Trump were hoping to get a wall for free, so most of them should get mad about us spending for it.
     
  3. fitshaced macrumors 68000

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    I think the voters who want the wall don't really care if it's payed for by Mexico or not.
     
  4. GermanSuplex macrumors 6502a

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    Let him build his dumb wall and fail when;

    -Immigration rates are the same
    -Underground drug tunnels get worse
    -We spend more taxpayer dollars for less results and, most of all,
    -Mexico doesn't pay.

    I'm sorry, in 2017, a wall doesn't stop anyone. Get ****ing real.
     
  5. Rhonindk macrumors 68040

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    Glad you are so sure of that. ;)
     
  6. blackfox macrumors 65816

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    Well, at a price tag of 7-23 Billion (depending on sources) - wouldn't it be more prudent to invest that in Mexico itself? Yeah, it's not gonna play as well with some, but it's a wiser use of money...oh. wait. I forgot who we we talking about...
     
  7. Peace macrumors Core

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    That's funny because you are gonna pay for it.

    ;)
     
  8. Solomani macrumors 68040

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    The rich, the highest income earners, the Mitt Romneys, the ones that supported Trump to get tax breaks, should be taxed to pay for the Wall. Ironically, this is the most likely thing that the Trumpo WH will conclude is the only possible way to fund the wall.
     
  9. juanm macrumors 68000

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    The Wall Effort.
     
  10. steve knight macrumors 68030

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    He should get God to pay for it since God elected him.
     
  11. Naaaaak macrumors 6502

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    I see "Grown in Mexico" I put it back on the shelf. One way or another they are paying for it.
     
  12. darksithpro, Aug 23, 2017
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    Sad times. Mexico is overrun by billionaire drug cartels, who have better manpower and weapons than the Mexican military, who also has been infiltrated by the cartels. Not only drugs, but violent gangs come into our communities and human trafficking occurs, with the drugs that poison and kill our children in our cities and communities. In all honesty I really cannot comprehend why any American citizen, or any rational and responsible person, regardless of their political party, liberal, or conservative who has any decency and compassion for human life and as a parent would not do something to stop this evil. Do you liberals and Democrats not have children? Do you not care these dangerous drugs from Mexico can end up in their schools, ruin their lives, or possibly kill them? A border wall may not be perfect, but at least it's a start to slow down the evil and poison coming into our country. But instead of what's best for this country the Democrats would rather obstruct for political points, rather than protect the safety of their own citizens. It's truly disgusting.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Drug_War

    Although Mexican drug cartels, or drug trafficking organizations, have existed for several decades, their influence has increased[93][94] since the demise of the Colombian Cali and Medellín cartels in the 1990s. Mexican drug cartels now dominate the wholesale illicit drug market and in 2007 controlled 90% of the cocaine entering the United States.[95][96] Arrests of key cartel leaders, particularly in the Tijuana and Gulf cartels, has led to increasing drug violence as cartels fight for control of the trafficking routes into the United States.[97][98][99]

    Analysts estimate that wholesale earnings from illicit drug sales range from $13.6 to $49.4 billion annually.[95][100][101]

    By the end of Felipe Calderón's administration (December 1, 2006 – November 30, 2012), the official death toll of the Mexican Drug War was at least 60,000.[102] Estimates set the death toll above 120,000 killed by 2013, not including 27,000 missing.[103][104]
     
  13. JayMysterio macrumors 6502a

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    Wow. :eek:

    That was a stirring attempt at the heartstrings.

    Also it isn't effective, realistic, or even practical.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/05/...n-drug-smugglers-to-trump-thanks.html?mcubz=1

    When asked whether the border wall promised by President Trump will stop smugglers, he smiles. “This is never going to stop, neither the narco trafficking nor the illegals,” he says. “There will be more tunnels. More holes. If it doesn’t go over, it will go under.”

    What will change? The fees that criminal networks charge to transport people and contraband across the border. Every time the wall goes up, so do smuggling profits.
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    The first time Flaco took people over the line was in 1984, when he was 15; he showed them a hole torn in a wire fence on the edge of Nogales for a tip of 50 cents. Today, many migrants pay smugglers as much as $5,000 to head north without papers, trekking for days through the Sonoran Desert. Most of that money goes to drug cartels that have taken over the profitable business.
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    His comments underline a problem that has frustrated successive American governments and is likely to haunt President Trump, even if the wall becomes more than a rallying cry and he finally gets the billions of dollars needed to fund it. Strengthening defenses does not stop smuggling. It only makes it more expensive, which inadvertently gives more money to criminal networks.


    What is one possible solution that helps? Hitting the cartels where it really matters. In their pockets...

    President Trump has taken power at a turning point in the drug policy debate. A majority of Americans now favor marijuana legalization, which is hitting the pockets of Mexican smugglers and will do so even more when California starts issuing licenses to sell recreational cannabis next year. President Trump has also called for more treatment for drug addicts. He would be wise to make that, and not the wall, a cornerstone of his drug policy.

    Reducing the finances of drug cartels could reduce some of the violence, and the number of people fleeing north to escape it. But to really tackle the issue of human smuggling, the United States must provide a path to papers for the millions of undocumented workers already in the country, and then make sure businesses hire only workers with papers in the future. So long as illegal immigrants can make a living in the United States, smugglers will make a fortune leading them there.

    Stopping the demand for the smugglers’ services actually hits them in their pockets. Otherwise, they will just keep getting richer as the bricks get higher.

    The basic concept of the wall has been around for years. It won't stop the ingenuity of those wanting to cross, it may slow them down, maybe even stop a few less determined. But those motivated by profit, will find away around, the most hardened...

    What the wall really is, is a panacea. That feel good pill that the snake oil salesman has pitched to a panicked sucker. You have to have this salesman says, and the fool says I have to have this.

    "How much will it cost?"

    "Nothing!!!" The salesman says, "Someone else will pay for it!!"

    There's an old saying that goes something like...

    "If something sounds to good to be true..." :cool:
     
  14. niploteksi macrumors regular

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    You have to build it twice as high, make health care insurance companies pay for the extra height. Make sure no gets hit in the head.
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    Or fund the wall by selling MAGA-helmets to inhabitants of the border states.
     
  15. LovingTeddy, Aug 24, 2017
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    You do realize that since the produce is already in your supermarket, Mexicans already got the money right? It is not like US stops import all Mexicans produces?

    You also realize that if we tax the produce, you the regular citizens pay more for the same produces, in turn, you are the bone actually funding the wall right?

    Like or not, Mexicans won't pay for the wall. The regular US citizens are the one funding the wall
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    Wall won't stop them. The can dig tunnel, they can use drone to get the drag, they can do it by boat.

    Wall won't stop illegal immigrants. History shows and this stupid wall is big waste of money and time.

    Build the wall is not one time investment. You need maintain the wall, you need increase border control personals and who is paying this?
     
  16. R.Perez macrumors 6502

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    Most undocumented immigrants come to the US in a plane. Your ridiculous $25 billion wall won't do anything.
     
  17. Solomani macrumors 68040

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    It will absolutely do something! It would give bragging rights to the Braggart-in-Chief!
     
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    That of course would be the rational, sane thing to do.
     
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    Have the Koch Brothers, the Mercers and Rupert Murdoch pay for it. More than anything else this is their mess.
     
  20. VulchR macrumors 68020

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    There is no need for tunnels.

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    (source: AP Photo/Hans Deryk; in The Atlantic (link).
     
  21. D.T. macrumors G3

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    Looks like there's a person in Boston that'll be paying for about $150M of the wall :D

    Not if it's tall enough ... I think we should budget enough to make it go into space ...
     
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    The year 2117, most illegal immigrants come by space shuttle.
     
  24. DearthnVader macrumors 6502a

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    I was thinking there are some special rules that prevent the filibuster of a budget.
     
  25. D.T. macrumors G3

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    Dammit.

    A big dome? Miniaturize the country and monitor it through a microscope?

    FWIW, I had a pretty good chat with a guy (during a little stint in SF for some xR work, FoaF sort of thing / potential investor ...) who's a structural engineer - the guy is kind of a who's who in the field, consults all over the world on some well known projects. While he's had (at the time) focused his subject matter expertise on massive bridges, the guy really understands large scale fabrication, the implications of geography, and as part of his engagements, budgets.

    He almost fell out of his chair laughing at the costs, construction timetables, and even feasibility of the wall as proposed.
     

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