Socialism of the 21st century marches on!

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Socialism of the 21st century's latest claim to glory?:

How bad is it in Venezuela? Soldiers are stealing goats
The situation in Venezuela has become so bad that even soldiers are struggling to support themselves.

Over the weekend, six members of the Venezuelan military were detained by local authorities for stealing goats, the Venezuelan newspaper El Nacional reported Sunday. It said the soldiers confessed to stealing the goats and said they did it to feed themselves, since they had no food left in their barracks.

"It's not a good sign when your military doesn't have enough food, and when the military has been relegated to guarding and protecting food lines," said Jason Marczak, director of the Latin America Economic Growth Initiative at the Atlantic Council. "This is endemic of the problems going on across the country."​
 
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and bozo is still in charge... lovely when the population is disarmed, eh?

take good care of your 2nd folks.
 
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Well, sorry to disappoint you, but according to the latest poll numbers, Harvard undergrads, of all people, view capitalism negatively.

I'd say that capitalism, free market, individual liberty and Constitutionalism have some serious branding issues.

Note: Of course, this only goes to show that young people, even those from Harvard, are not very wise and that they need to read history or travel outside of US to see how socialism works in practice.
 
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Well, sorry to disappoint you, but according to the latest poll numbers, Harvard undergrads, of all people, view capitalism negatively.

I'd say that capitalism, free market, individual liberty and Constitutionalism have some serious branding issues.
I'm not really impressed by social polls conducted in universities - especially Harvard - which is full of kids who have never had to work a day in their lives, living off their trust funds and located smack dab in the middle of the most liberal part of the country...

This poll nothing to erase the facts that socialism is a massive failure and Marx was dead wrong.
 

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I'm not really impressed by social polls conducted in universities - especially Harvard - which is full of kids who have never had to work a day in their lives, living off their trust funds and located smack dab in the middle of the most liberal part of the country...

This poll nothing to erase the facts that socialism is a massive failure and Marx was dead wrong.
Well you're very optimistic, because young people do not seem to care that socialism and Marx were wrong.
I agree with you that they were wrong, but majority of young privileged Americans don't think so.
 

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and bozo is still in charge... lovely when the population is disarmed, eh?

take good care of your 2nd folks.
A quick search reveals that handguns and other semi-automatic weapons are not illegal in Venezuela. They just require a license.
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This poll nothing to erase the facts that socialism is a massive failure and Marx was dead wrong.
Pure socialism is a massive failure, yes. Partial forms of socialism, however, have proven quite successful throughout the entire industrial world. (Including the United States, ALA the New Deal)
 
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DuckofD3ath showing us once again the only way to correct a mistake isn't to gracefully admit to it, but to double down on it until the people who actually know what they're talking about go away so he can claim victory by default.

It's the 4 year old pitching a fit in the grocery store until his parents give him and buy him some cereal style of debating.
 

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DuckofD3ath showing us once again the only way to correct a mistake isn't to gracefully admit to it, but to double down on it until the people who actually know what they're talking about go away so he can claim victory by default.

It's the 4 year old pitching a fit in the grocery store until his parents give him and buy him some cereal style of debating.
Frosted Flakes are GREAT!
 
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A quick search reveals that handguns and other semi-automatic weapons are not illegal in Venezuela. They just require a license.
Let's not let reality get in the way of a good right wing circle jerk, Plot.

Pure socialism is a massive failure, yes. Partial forms of socialism, however, have proven quite successful throughout the entire industrial world. (Including the United States, ALA the New Deal)
It's not even a partial form of socialism, at least not by the Marxist mold. Welfare statism and, er, I guess we'll call it classical socialism have almost nothing in common beyond sharing a similar name in popular discourse.
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Frosted Flakes are GREAT!
I WANT THEM NOW! WAAAAHHHHHHH!
 

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And you could post just as many anecdotes about capitalism gone wrong as well. In reality neither socialism or capitalism work, but mixes of the two can create more equitable societies.
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I'm not really impressed by social polls conducted in universities - especially Harvard - which is full of kids who have never had to work a day in their lives, living off their trust funds and located smack dab in the middle of the most liberal part of the country...

This poll nothing to erase the facts that socialism is a massive failure and Marx was dead wrong.
Way to generalise.....
 

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And you could post just as many anecdotes about capitalism gone wrong as well. In reality neither socialism or capitalism work, but mixes of the two can create more equitable societies.
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Way to generalise.....
It's actually quite easy to generalize.

North Korea and South Korea are a perfect example of controlled experiment testing whether communism or capitalism works.
Another one is China with Mao Zedong vs. Hong Kong, Taiwan, and post 1990s China.

Please feel free to share the many anecdotes of free market governments ruining countries and how those failures stack up to Stalin's Russia, Mao's China, and Kim's North Korea.
 
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Well, sorry to disappoint you, but according to the latest poll numbers, Harvard undergrads, of all people, view capitalism negatively.

I'd say that capitalism, free market, individual liberty and Constitutionalism have some serious branding issues.
Harvard undergrads are particularly clueless.

Being firmly immersed in the entitled, narcissistic, selfie loving, no boundaries generation, they spew ignorant FUD at will.

With a lame guy residing in the presidential quarters, political correctness running rampant, a career criminal female Democratic candidate, it's not surprising that all signs of integrity and intelligence have vanished.
 

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Harvard undergrads are particularly clueless.

Being firmly immersed in the entitled, narcissistic, selfie loving, no boundaries generation, they spew ignorant FUD at will.

With a lame guy residing in the presidential quarters, political correctness running rampant, a career criminal female Democratic candidate, it's not surprising that all signs of integrity and intelligence have vanished.
I still have hope for Harvard undergrads. As they say, if you're not a liberal in your 20s, you have no heart, but if you're not a conservative in your 30s, you have no brain.
 

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North Korea and South Korea are a perfect example of controlled experiment testing whether communism or capitalism works.
Another one is China with Mao Zedong vs. Hong Kong, Taiwan, and post 1990s China.
Yes, and those are damn good arguments in the ongoing fight between capitalism and communism.

...but no one wants to implement communist policy here in the states. No one arguing here, nor anyone currently running for office has stopped and said "you know, maybe ole Karl was right". The point keeps being brought, because...hell, I don't know why. It makes a good windmill to tilt at, I guess.

It's like having someone scream about how we're all wrong about the composition of cumulonimbus clouds when everyone else trying to discuss how best to build a barn.
 

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It's actually quite easy to generalize.

North Korea and South Korea are a perfect example of controlled experiment testing whether communism or capitalism works.
Another one is China with Mao Zedong vs. Hong Kong, Taiwan, and post 1990s China.

Please feel free to share the many anecdotes of free market governments ruining countries and how those failures stack up to Stalin's Russia, Mao's China, and Kim's North Korea.
South Korea, like most industrial nations, has universal health care.
 

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Ah yes, socialism.

$1.5 trillion USD on a failed jet program along with thousands of lives lost in Iraq (and many more trillions added to the US national debt). Socialism surely has f*cked us.

Also, don't forget to condemn those that risk their lives as soldiers, firefighters, police, and EMTs as they are all paid by the collective money of the people. Damnit socialism.
 
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But wait, there's more! Brazil, another socialist wunderkind has "sunk into its biggest slump in a century":

Brazil’s economy, Latin America’s largest, shrank 3.8 percent last year — the most in a quarter century. Brazil’s credit rating has been downgraded to junk. Business and consumer confidence levels are near their lowest on record.
Ah, socialism--Is there nothing it can't ruin?
 

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But wait, there's more! Brazil, another socialist wunderkind has "sunk into its biggest slump in a century":

Brazil’s economy, Latin America’s largest, shrank 3.8 percent last year — the most in a quarter century. Brazil’s credit rating has been downgraded to junk. Business and consumer confidence levels are near their lowest on record.
Ah, socialism--Is there nothing it can't ruin?
True.

2001-2009 era socialism damaged the US pretty badly.
 

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South Korea, like most industrial nations, has universal health care.
Please don't lecture me on South Korea. Have you lived there?
I have.

And in South Korea, the socialist parts are the problems. 40% of South Korean doctors do not practice medicine. They practice cosmetic surgery, because that is privatized. Same thing with dentists. Cosmetic procedures are not subsidized by the government, so that is what most talented dentists work on, while the subsidized procedures, such as root canal (which costs less than $100), nobody wants to do.
South Korea, like post-90s China, is a good example of how free market and democracy work while socialist, cronyist, centralized government services do not.

Please come back to me when you've lived in South Korea, if you want to talk about South Korea's problems.
 

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Please don't lecture me on South Korea. Have you lived there?
I have.

And in South Korea, the socialist parts are the problems. 40% of South Korean doctors do not practice medicine. They practice cosmetic surgery, because that is privatized. Same thing with dentists.
South Korea, like post-90s China, is a good example of how free market and democracy work while socialist, cronyist, centralized government services do not.

Please come back to me when you've lived in South Korea, if you want to talk about South Korea's problems.
Does forced genital cutting fall under the cosmetic surgery part?
 

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Please don't lecture me on South Korea. Have you lived there?
I have.

And in South Korea, the socialist parts are the problems. 40% of South Korean doctors do not practice medicine. They practice cosmetic surgery, because that is privatized. Same thing with dentists.
Oh, so your perfect example suddenly has flaws?