Socialists can't wait for Bernie to loose.

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  1. thewap macrumors demi-god

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    Socialist fringe parties all in a frenzy, meh..

    Howie Hawkins, a Green Party co-founder and member of the socialist group Solidarity, wrote an essay in May for the ISO’s Socialist Worker website attacking Sanders for “violating the first principle of socialist politics: class independence,” consorting with the “billionaire class” by pledging to “support their candidate” if he loses the Democratic primary.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...-wait-for-bernie-to-lose-213593#ixzz3zGJAXV00
     
  2. shinji macrumors 65816

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    Sounds like what's really going on is the Green Party doesn't want Bernie siphoning off their supporters and donations.
     
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    thewap thread starter macrumors demi-god

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    Why can't they all just get along and share..?...:( - Oh wait !
     
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    I have a better idea -

    Learn what the word "loose" means, or go pay for far-superior private for-profit education since it's clear the liberal union public education system was too lazy to educate you. Or you didn't care to learn. But at least I now understand better why "A college degree is the new high school diploma"...
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    It's not Bernie's fault that he's managed to get the message across to people better than that party had.
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    So you'd rather have capitalism where you work your ass off for low wages while CEOs and lazy stock owners profit from your work, instead of a system where you benefit from your work?

    The most basic definition can be found via a web search using key words "socialism definition". A "key word" is used by a search engine to retrieve relevant results.

    Socialism: a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole

    So keep on begging for a pittance-based system for which you will continue to mindlessly blame everyone else for as you continue to suffer.
     
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    See my response immediately above, the ignorance and misplaced vitriol are strong today...
     
  8. thewap thread starter macrumors demi-god

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    Capitalism and free market is not the problem, rather govt corruption catering to the 1% and protecting the 1% even after having ripped off the nation for trillions - (hello Eric Holder?)
    This is a bi-partisan issue, and an issue of idiocracy with the public in our nation.
     
  9. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    Capitalism can stand when it's under control, but at the underlined, I have no idea how in the world any country is supposed to have a stable middle class (required for economic growth) when corporations just hop from country to country finding the lowest labor price. There HAS to be a floor, or no country is ever going to have a stable economy.
     
  10. thewap thread starter macrumors demi-god

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    By giving tax incentives to do business in a state/US, and tax imported goods made from US corps or managed by US corps outside the country.
     
  11. LizKat macrumors 68040

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    Heh, or maybe he is...
     
  12. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 603

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    I wonder if Bernie made a mistake by insisting he is a moderate, while most on both sides consider him to be a progressive. And remember, Bernie said you can't be both.
     
  13. LizKat macrumors 68040

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    Bernie didn't make a mistake. As social democrats go, or as democratic socialists go, He is a moderate.

    As far as American politics go, Sanders holds what are generally termed progressive values, any gun control issues aside. And on that score, we all do know some Democrats who believe responsible gun ownership is fine (or if not, one should get out more).

    Clinton is to Sanders' right as a center-right neocon like most of what remains of the establishment GOP. The center-right may or may not think of Sanders as "progressive" but the GOP wing of our establishment likes just plain "SOCIALIST" for his tag. This even though they have already used that tag up on Obama, who is effectively a center right player just like they are. They made him into that! You play the hand you're dealt.

    The GOP's far right does not consider Sanders to be a progressive at all, but rather a radical left wing pinko commie. Their idea of progressive is probably somewhere along the GOP spectrum near Jon Kyl of Arizona. Perspective is everything, isn't it.

    Young, educated activists on the right may correctly regard Sanders as progressive rather than radical, possibly... but they'd rather have Rubio, who's not as old as the rest of the candidates while at least publicly espousing adherence to traditionally Republican (as opposed to Democratic) positions on social and economic issues. The excitement he offers them is in his heritage and his relative youth. He's different. How could he be the same as Bush or Kasich or that guy from Jersey... When you're young, "young" can seem progressive enough compared to people the age of Dad and Grandpa. It's not a guarantee, but it can feel like it. And this country will find out how well that can be sold in if Clinton has to run against Rubio. They'll sell him as modern and progressive compared to right wing radio's portrayals of Clinton Again. Never mind that he's a right wing as Ted Cruz, with better manners (and mentors) than Trump.

    The young who are on the left are the ones probably wondering what to do, what to do if Sanders cannot gain the nomination. Their personal pathway to some minimal amount of general election satisfaction probably lies with voting against Clinton and against the GOP. Maybe the Greens. In blue states they might even vote for Rubio. I don't think they'd intentionally help elect a Republican if they favor Sanders now, but who knows. When you are sick of the establishment, and both major parties represent the establishment, anything can happen. The election could end up in the House, in which case there will be a Republican president. There are consequences for voting. And, for not voting.

    Disruption from right or left serves some notice to the establishment. Attempts to disrupt from both at once is a clear distress signal. The progressives are as disenchanted with the Democrats as are the Tea Party voters with traditional Republicans. For the major parties' leadership to keep ignoring the country's distress while it serves its monied masters is sheer folly unparalleled in our history.
     
  14. zioxide macrumors 603

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    Bernie isn't a socialist in the traditional sense, so I don't see the point of this thread.

    Bernie's a social democrat or democratic socialist as he calls it.

    Hardcore socialists want the government (people) to control every aspect of production. Social democrats like Bernie are capitalists who are fine with private enterprise, they just want regulations to ensure private businesses all follow the same rules.
     
  15. thewitt macrumors 68020

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    You cannot sugar-coat a man who while supporting free enterprise believes that no company should earn "more than its share" of profits - and in doing so supports a 100% tax rate as a possibility.

    Insanity, and yes, socialist in the traditional sense.
     
  16. zioxide macrumors 603

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    Source.
     
  17. MacNut macrumors Core

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    By company you mean stock holders?
     

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