Soldier waterboards 4yo daughter for refusing to recite alphabet

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  1. mkrishnan Moderator emeritus

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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...waterboarding-daughter-4-recite-alphabet.html

    This is why it's worth paying for efforts to monitor and treat psychiatric health of our soldiers... wow.

     
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    Poor girl, she's probably going to need as much therapy as her Dad... nobody is a winner in this case. I just hope they can both heal after time and a lot of care.

    It sounds like the Dad has some sort of PTSD, and was probably in denial... most of the afflicted can snap for the strangest of reasons, which can be obviously dangerous around kids.
     
  3. mkrishnan thread starter Moderator emeritus

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    I should not jump to conclusions, too, but it sounds just like the sort of thing the Army talks about in their Battlemind videos, which are essentially a training tool for soldiers to detect signs of PTSD at home -- handling situations in a way that might have been "appropriate" in the field, but are completely inappropriate to the situation at home.

    And now, as you say, a lot of damage has already been done....
     
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    Who attributed the word "waterboarding" to this? Did the father actually say "I was waterboarding my child" or did he dunk her head in the water because he knew she was afraid of water and was a crazy *******? It sounds to me like the father did his ******* move and then the media attributed the wording themselves to demonize the practice, as if putting your kid in water wasn't bad enough.
     
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    I agree with this assessment. I have met some crazy people in the military and not all of them served in combat, but the likelihood is more likely these days.
     
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    I don't want to hear about waterboarding every time there is an incident involving water and someones head even when the acting person has no connection with the CIA, and has never used the practice officially. "12 year old kid dunks another kid in the pool, influenced by CIA waterboarding? Find out at 10."
     
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    Somehow I don't think extreme punishment or parenting cruelty apply to this guy. He has taken this to a whole new level....

    How can a parent do this to their own child? Beyond me...
     

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  9. remmy macrumors 6502a

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    :rolleyes:Why how often do you hear about soldiers dunking their kids head in water? Is this a regular event in your local area?
     
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    I think you are correct.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding

    It'll be "waterboarding for apples on Halloween" next. :rolleyes:

    PS The father is a nutter.
     
  11. niuniu macrumors 68020

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    It's possible the guy was a hothead before joining the army, and would have abused his daughter anyway. Just the form of abuse has been influenced by his training or experience.

    Subbing to see how it progresses..
     
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    Actually, from the articles the girl was pushed into the water face up, not face first.

    Still, this is not technically waterboarding, and the newspapers that are using the word (not all are) are doing so to get more hits. Nonetheless, since the girl was face up not face down, I think this qualifies as close enough in my book. He was not just dunking her head face first in water.

    Sadly, it makes you wonder about mom if this guy won custody.
     
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    "Tabor, a soldier at the Lewis-McChord base in Tacoma, Washington, was arrested after being seen walking around his neighbourhood wearing a Kevlar military helmet and threatening to break windows."

    Seems like not all of this guy's brain made it back from the theater. We ask soldiers to do unspeakable things and then expect them to rejoin society without enough support (the culture of the military has been slow to eliminate stigma of psychological support).

    He needs therapy, as will his child. Hope they can get it.
     
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    The article stub turns out to be misleading. He and the birth mother had equal custody each granted 5 month periods with the girl. Looks like he served as a helicopter repairer, his girlfriend described him as having 'anger management problems'.
     
  15. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    No, we have plenty of people who served and came back to live normal lives. This guy has no connection with CIA or waterboarding practices. Hes obviously off his rocker.

    Looks like he was probably a lune before joining, probably had fantasies about killing and got stuck repairing helicopters.
     
  16. Lyle macrumors 68000

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    No, that's too simple of an explanation. There must be some other reason. I bet he plays violent videogames, or perhaps listens to heavy metal music. Or maybe he plays Dungeons & Dragons?
     
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    No. He's a PC.
     
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    Read more stuff about this guy. He used to make the girl sit in her underwear when she pee'd herself as a punishment, and at the time he was running around with the helmet he was drunk.
     
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    So I guess you've never done anything embrassing or stupid when/ if you get drunk? Must be nice to be perfect.
     
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    Just saying like:


    He's five foot-two, and he's six feet-four,
    He fights with missiles and with spears.
    He's all of thirty-one, and he's only seventeen,
    Been a soldier for a thousand years.

    He'a a Catholic, a Hindu, an Atheist, a Jain,
    A Buddhist and a Baptist and a Jew.
    And he knows he shouldn't kill,
    And he knows he always will,
    Kill you for me my friend and me for you.

    And he's fighting for Canada,
    He's fighting for France,
    He's fighting for the USA,
    And he's fighting for the Russians,
    And he's fighting for Japan,
    And he thinks we'll put an end to war this way.

    And he's fighting for Democracy,
    He's fighting for the Reds,
    He says it's for the peace of all.
    He's the one who must decide,
    Who's to live and who's to die,
    And he never sees the writing on the wall.

    But without him,
    How would Hitler have condemned him at Dachau?
    Without him Caesar would have stood alone,
    He's the one who gives his body
    As a weapon of the war,
    And without him all this killing can't go on.

    He's the Universal Soldier and he really is to blame,
    His orders come from far away no more,
    They come from here and there and you and me,
    And brothers can't you see,
    This is not the way we put the end to war.
     
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    What's your point? Being drunk is no excuse for criminal behavior.
     
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    Dunking your 4 year old kid's head in water? Id classify it as somewhat sick.
     

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