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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by BoyBach, Nov 17, 2008.
I saw this earlier. In the article I read, it said there are currently 11 ships under hijack around the world.
The BBC reports:
There is also a map that shows all of the reported "pirate incidents" during 2008.
And people question why I'm a Pastafarian. Proof is in the Piracy, my friends.
Time to introduce escort naval vessels and or armed military onboard ships?
I believe in "The best offense is a good defense."
With that in mind I have only three more things to say:
You'd back away really, really slowly?
...whilst the dead carcasses provide much needed sustenance for our fish friends.
Small, Fast and Hard.
Coastal Patrol Vessels.
Lots of smaller vessels with a decent sized cannon, a few machine guns decent amount of hull armour and an excellent turn of speed.
Funking great battleship's aren't really the answer, although Helicopters are worth there weight in gold.
This sort of thing used to be the Royal Navy's bread and butter, time to crack a few skulls before the economic fallout of having to take the (very) long way round hit home.
I just heard on the radio that there are 17 pirated ships at anchor in this "garden spot".
Why not just play their game, and threaten to level the town??
Arrr, them merchant ships be needing a decent cannonade. Surely a broadside is what need be. To send them scurvy dogs with Davy Jones at th' bottom of th' sea.
But seriously though why not take a lesson from the past. Arm the crews and put some deck guns on larger vessels. It's ridiculous when a few pirates with machine guns can take control of large well manned vessels.
If armed the large vessels have a few huge advantages. They have the high ground, a much larger crew and room for the crew to move about on deck not to mention funding for body armor. The pirates are fewer in number and concentrated in small vessels.
With deck guns the pirates would not even be able to get with in range of their small weapons before being blown out of the water. Give them a radio warning and a warning shot. If they do not turn about sink them.
Coastal patrol vessels and the like are great and should be added as a deterrent. But those vessels are not much help to these merchant ships when under attack. By the time patrol boats respond the crew could be dead or held hostage.
Why bother with the threat. Send some battleships and decimate the town. They will soon lose their footing in other towns that do not want to be leveled as well.
Modern Coastal Patrol boats can shift at almost Powerboat speeds.
The Pirates use speed and surprise to attack there targets, use the same tactics back against them.
Although anchoring a thumping great warship 12 inches out to sea might have a nice "fear factor"!!!
If you actually read some of the news stories, you'll notice they say the pirates generally have a lot more crew than the target boats do.
Skilled crew costs money and the tankers and carriers have as little crew as possible. With a boat half a mile long and only about 20 crew, it's impossible to keep 24 hour watch at all points. The pirate speedboats have a very low radar profile, and getting a RPG at the waterline will encourage most target boats to stop.
Also the shipping companies aren't that concerned about piracy as it's such a low proportion of all their shipping, and it's covered by insurance. The subsequent rises in insurance costs are happily passed on to their clients.
You also talk about boats being defended - by who? Who is going to risk their lives in defence of a boat for a company that pays them peanuts and will sack them at the drop of a hat?
Generally the crew hide in their cabins at the first sight of a pirate attack, as failed resistance really ups the chances of getting killed, whereas a successful resistance won't get them much of a bonus, if any.
Any crew member that raises a resistance will be depending on other poorly trained crewmen armed with guns that they don't know how to look after properly for backup, on a boat with no armouring at all. Too much resistance, and the pirates might just sink the boat with a RPG at the waterline or other vulnerable point.
Navy people are on properly armoured and armed navy boats with better training, backup, medical care, and better job security.
Historically, piracy has never been defeated at sea, there's just too many advantages for the pirate at sea, only when their land bases have been taken.
This has been a problem for well over 300 years. Not necessarily all Somali, but the northern African coast has seen many many pirates over the years. A few hundred years ago the pirates were more organized and countries were able to pay bribes to the pirates in exchange for safe passage. Of course these bribes were usually gold, spices, live stock, and military vessels. I have a feeling that latter did not help curve the problem at all.
Time to start building Q-Ships again.
My understanding is that there is a protected corridor that is patrolled by Russian, UK, and other Navies to allow for big ships to get some safety. But obviously it is not working that well.
Leveling the town? you think only pirates live in that town? do you guys ever think about anybody else before wanting to blow up everybody?
True - but also consider - if your cousins were wiped out because they lived in a town with pirates - you'd be a LOT less likely to tolerate the pirates living next door to you.
I vouch for NYC Cab drivers to start piloting these vessels. They know how to fight off a jacking first-hand - and they're pretty good at navigating traffic, too.
Surely you don't expect that everybody can do a Hollywood style Walking Tall movie plot and retake their town from pirates?
If the cost of these pirate attacks was actually significant to the shipping companies/economies, I bet you would have seen some serious action take place. It looks like it is not that bad. Considering there are other waters (I think near Indonesia for example) where a lot of piracy takes place and we never hear about it, this probably feed off the volatility in this region.
Watching too many Chuck Norris or Steven Seagal movies? ... and you'd do what? Consider that you are poor to the point you can barely afford food. Now are you going to take on a bunch of people with AK-47s and RPGs? Even if you manage beat a few of them, they can always come back in the middle of the night and cut your throat. Most people are more likely to try to move (if they can afford it) when stuck between two warring parties.
Is the 2nd half of my post not enough evidence of sarcasm, or do I have to start it off with /sarcasm ?
Never seen Walk Tall, for the record. (never even heard of it)
And, yes, heavy into Chuck Norris jokes, but never seen any of his movies. What have I missed?
Ha! I read the NYC cabbie think as a totally different topic
Walking Tall (corrected a typo).
Chuck's movies are overrated.
That same article you link to says they were pretty crap. One USA Q-ship managed to blow up no less than two friendly submarines.
True but that is also US Q ships. Don't forget about the German Auxiliary cruiser raiders which I really should have linked to in the first place.
But the idea is still the same. Have a innocent looking merchant ship traveling past pirates and just wait for them to get closer/board. Then have military personal onboard open up with gunfire.
Now, I don't like the idea of killing any person especially people who have no choice but to resort to piracy for economical reasons.
Also, I'm pretty sure that the pirates are armed with RPG's and possibly other missile systems which would not be good for a ship and it's crew that decided to fight back.
I have to say I'm shamefully impressed. Somewhat amusing to be honest. If I were a company with these multi million dollar ships, I'm hiring the boys at Blackwater to protect them. Or, at the very least, let the crew carry weapons.
So if you're ON an oil tanker - (which, is full of stuff that burns somewhat well) and you've got a 50 cal turret covered up somewhere -- then someone else rolls on up with a RPG - you're gonna start something?
I mean, that ship isn't exactly tiny - it's pretty easy to hit, bigger than a (@*$in barn, odds are pretty damn good the RPG is going to hit the first time. While shooting back at a tiny speed boat - not as good.