Some conservatives question whether Fox is good for their side

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  1. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    The full Newsweek article is worth a read. The one thing I quibble with is the contention of people like Bruce Bartlett that it is okay for a network to wear its politics on its sleeve. Maybe...but certainly not to the degree that Fox does, and certainly not while pretending to be a "news" channel and calling itself fair and balanced.

    Yet it's an interesting point: that the tail is now wagging the dog. I hadn't thought of it that way, but the more I think about it, the more it makes sense. Fox reaches millions of minds every night. (Nauseating thought, I know.) John Boehner doesn't. It's possible that Fox, Limbaugh and the rest of the right wing media have more influence on setting the conservative agenda than the Republican Party does now.
     
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    The Republicans are reaping what they have sowed. Divisive politics eventually come back to bite you in the ass.
     
  3. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    I don't find the news sections of fox news to be all that biased, they regularly have dems on the show and almost always have at least one for each given issue. Their opinion shows are terribly biased but I don't know what people expect, its the opinion of the majority viewing audience and its what they want to hear. I find that fox's actual news shows are better structured and more entertaining than CNN/msnbc even when they aren't reporting on political issues. Their anchors/reporters have a much better presence than either cnn/msnbc also.

    Maybe we should wait till November to decide that.
     
  4. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    As a conservative, I'm very thankful for FOX. I'm an intelligent human being, so I can weed out the biased viewpoints. I can read the HUFFPO, or the NYT, or FOX, or Drudge, or whatever it is and understand why I'm hearing what I'm hearing.

    I'm thankful for FOX because they talk about issues that no one else talks about. They show news that you'd NEVER seen on CNN. That you'd NEVER read on NYT, because it doesn't fit their worldview. Yes, they DO have a worldview. I like reading the HUFFPO because I would never get some of those stories from FOX, but in the end, its better to have both, otherwise you're only getting half of the story.

    I don't understand why liberals love to play the victim when it comes to Fox News. Jeez guys, admit it or not but the mass majority of the news media is liberal leaning. They try to be fair and balanced, but they're not. It's something you probably can't appreciate since you're not a conservative, but it's pretty cut and dry. It's the same feeling you get when you watch FOX, although perhaps a bit more subdued in many cases (not MSNBC, not NYT, not HUFFPO) I feel sorry for people who can't even watch FOX or hear anything from an opposing side, because they just continue to consume the one-sided propaganda they get from elsewhere.

    The problem in our society is not biased media, it's our failure to rationalize the media we consume.

    One thing I do agree with though, is that they should change their slogan. "Fair and Balanced" is a ridiculous.
     
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    1) What I meant is a dismally low public opinion of congress. Incumbents (both sides) will take hits.
    2) Growth of the extreme right as embodied by the current tea party
    3) An animal (Fox) they cannot "control"
     
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    Thank you. Karma's a bitch. You reap what you sow. Deal with it.
     
  7. GfPQqmcRKUvP macrumors 68040

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    What don't other news outlets talk about?
     
  8. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Kind of wondering the same thing Badandy. BTW- I was unfairly nasty to you a few weeks back. I could blame it on my surgeries, but really, it was my own fault. Please accept my apologies for being a jerk, because I was a huge one. :( I loves you, Badandy. :)
     
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    Simply put: prove it. And, asserting the voting records or the party membership does not prove that the news is being directed towards one political ideal or another. Journalism is a profession and the normative values insist that journalists cover stories rather than concern themselves with political leanings.

    This is a constantly repeated meme, but there's been very little research that has proved—Bernie Goldberg's ridiculous assertions notwithstanding—that the news media is "liberal leaning." Furthermore, this also accepts the blind assumption that a "right leaning" news network "balances" the lean to the left, an assumption which also remains unproven.

    The problem in our society is not biased media, it's our failure to rationalize the media we consume.

    I agree and that's largely my problem with Fox News. They try to be both a "balanced" news organization, but then they continually subvert this idea using a variety of methods. Instead, they should simply accept their partisanship. So should MSNBC.
     
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    If one media conglomerate is rabidly right wing and the others less so it means exactly that,it doesn't mean the others are liberal,the only liberal news source I can think of in mainstream U.S. media is Democracy Now.
     
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    It's been proven over and over again. No one even bothers proving it any more because it's a obvious truth. In my humble opinion, although it's harder for liberals to see bias in their own direction, you'd still have to be willfully ignorant to not see the truth in this instance. Heck, just look at the free ride love affair almost the entire media gave to Barack Obama when he ran for office. No one asked the hard questions, no one posed 'gotcha' questions to him... they were in love with him. To all conservatives and anyone really paying close attention, the subtle (or less subtle, depending on the source) liberal spin is so opaque and visible that it's almost laugh worthy. For people to sit there and say 'prove it', I just don't eve know what to say. Can you please prove to me that the earth spins around the sun? Or that the sky is blue? I don't believe you. I just don't.


    Peterkro, this might be hard for you to understand... but just because news organizations are communist or socialist, marxist at a minimum, doesn't make them 'right wing'. America isn't Europe for one thing... our country was BORN out of distaste for over oppressive government. Thousands of patriots died to create a beacon of freedom with minimum government and maximum liberty... what's known as the American Experiment. A place where the POTENTIAL for success was not burdened by the state trying to redistribute wealth for the sake of 'fairness'. Our society today is far more liberal, far more big-government, than was ever intended by the founders. That much is clear.
     
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    I actually have to agree with many of your points. But the main thing about Fox that is disturbing is that they intentionally distort the facts. They go far beyond political bias to full-fledged propaganda.
     
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    This clip is composed almost entirely of the opinion shows. Of the few news segments that are in there, you've got things like a decontextualized clip of Juan Williams (a liberal) saying "...blame America..."

    Most laughably, there is a clip of Chris Wallace (also a liberal) framing a segment with "Depending on your point of view, President Obama's new budget is a statement of our national values, or a socialist experiment" - as carefully a constructed unbiased statement as a person could possibly make.

    Do you know the difference between opinion and news?
     
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    Ae we serious? The media in this country is overwhelmingly biased towards business and conservatives. Just look at the free ride Bush was given by the media that both worshipped him and eagerly acted as his stenographer. Do I really need everyone about Judith Miller? The military brass who were passed off as independent pundits but were really getting talking points from the Pentagon? Armstrong Williams? The list of newsies fired for opposing the war? How many conservative pundits have been fired for their opposition to Obamas policies? The bias is so obvious that I don't even need to provide evdence. It's been proven so many times that no one outside of the willfully blind even bothers to question this anymore. I know it's harder for conservatives to see bias, what with the vast majority of media outlets agreeing with them, but to liberals the bias against them in the media is obvious.

    Even the vaunted MSNBC gives three hours every morning to a conservative. Please show me where FOX has an equivalent. If not, then claims of cable news bias ring hollow.
     
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    The distortion of the facts is something that usually comes from selective news reporting... all of them do it. It's hilarious... there will be some poll on American people, and Fox will report it like "A majority of Americans don't support 'Obamacare'." Then, the HuffPo and NYT will report it like "A majority of Americans support 'changes to healthcare system.'" Both are accurate, both are factual, but both are also selectively choosing data to present and data not to present. If you think this is exclusive to Fox, you're not paying attention.
     
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    Don't worry. I've been paying attention longer than you've probably been alive. Have you watched the documentary "Control Room" ?
     
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    It's all a load of crap. There should be a law that requires news to strictly report the facts, all of them, and nothing else- no commentary, nothing but the facts.
     
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    I'm sure you know full well then that all media sources do this. And that sources like NYT, HuffPo, MSNBC, CNN, and many more are also guilty of 'propoganda', or selective reporting. To a certain extent, they have no choice... they can't tell every story, but more often than not... they select their stories based on an ideology... with most news reporters being liberal obviously this side of the story gets told more often.

    No, I have not seen 'control room.' Recommended?
     
  21. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    That's impossible. Not to mention completely boring, lacking context, and inevitably irrelevant to the targeted audience. You might be able to get this already in the form of raw news feeds. Certainly there are places where these are available to the public?
     
  22. Rt&Dzine macrumors 6502a

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    Yes.
     
  23. Peterkro macrumors 68020

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    This confusing, are you suggesting that there are mainstream media organisations in the U.S. that are Socialist,Communist or Marxist? I know there is almost complete ignorance of the terms meanings for a large number of U.S. residents but I can't believe the meanings have been twisted to that extent.
    We can agree on something,no America is not Europe. I thought America was born out of slavery,genocide and a particularly nasty type of religious bigotry.The American revolution was a political revolution not a social one all it did was exchange one set of exploitive elitists with another.The myth of the "log cabin to the Whitehouse" is just that a myth,social mobility languishes at the bottom of international lists (along with the U.K.) and is getting worse.People, of whom you appear to be one,who criticise the U.S. government for trying to institute a welfare state and for interfering in laissez-faire economics totally miss the reality,the U.S. government in very large part is controlled by and governs in the interest of big business. I am all for freedom and indeed liberty but draw the line before the freedom to be exploited and before the liberty of the prison cell.
     
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    fivepoint has an overly romanticized view of our country. We are not a wealthy country because of "freedom" etc. We are wealthy because of conquest. Everything we have was built on the backs of slaves, low wage workers (illegal immigrants), genocide (American Indians) and by keeping oil prices low by intimidating and destroying the Middle East.

    The fact that we still have Indian reservations in this day and age is quite telling.

    The US is a great country to be sure. But let's not for one minute pretend that it doesn't have equally great faults.
     
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    American Ingenuity and innovation have nothing to do with our success? The UK has a tremendous history of conquest and all of the other things you mention, yet I would not consider it to be the world power that the US is.
     

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