***Sony Vaio Z*** Stone-cold killer! It's going to be Apple Vs Sony for Arrandale imo

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  1. Jobsian macrumors 6502a

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    We've been talking about this new behemoth from Sony in the Macbook Air forums as it's the same weight as an MBA (it's a premium ultraportable!) but the specs on it are so phenomenal that it'll surely take some beating even from an MBP update.


    Sony 2010 Vaio Z Series

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    Top spec:
    Design: Aluminium + Carbon Fiber
    Weight: 3.07lbs or 3.3lbs (depending on which Sony website you visit)
    Screen: 13.1", 1920 x 1080 Resolution
    CPU: Core i7-620M. 2.66GHz, 3.33GHz Turbo. 35W TDP. 4MB L2 Cache
    RAM: 8GB DDR3
    SDD: 512GB (Raid 0 available)
    Graphics: Nvidia 330M GT 1GB GDDR3 and Intel HD integrated - switchable
    Battery: Sony: 6 Hours
    Optical Drive: Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Burner
    Other: x3 USB2.0, x1 HDMI Out, VGA Out, 802.11 a/b/g/n, GB Ethernet, 2.1 Bluetooth, webcam, mic, SD, Expresscard, Memstick

    Not surprisingly the thing's almost insanely expensive at $4500+

    With that repertoire, it's going to take quite a lot from Apple for me to go with them in my next update. Remember, and I say this again because of how astonishing it is, the Vaio Z is almost the same weight as the MBA (MBA is 3.0lbs) despite having x2 SSDs, an optical drive and discrete graphics!

    I'm not going to pull the trigger yet though. It's a no-brainer to wait to see Apple's hand. They have a few avenues to potentially make me go for them instead for my next notebook:

    1) Their multitouch trackpad is king
    2) OS. Enhancing their current OS with updates (with Win 7, there's barely much distinction in quality anymore, both have positives over the other)
    3) Cooling. It remains to be seen how much of a heat/noise monster the Vaio Z is. If it's unusably hot and loud, it's out. This is one of my main concerns with this as the CPU is 35W TDP.
    4) USB3/Light Peak. Sony have only included USB2.0 in the Vaio Z. USB 3.0/light peak would have a huge bearing on my decision.
    5) Design. If they produce something out of this earth design-wise (as the MBA almost is), then I'll shamelessly go for Apple. Design means a lot and there's not a better design in existence at the moment than the sensational-looking Air (Sony's new Vaio X is a second imo).
    6) Improved IGP/Discrete interface. Eg as recent threads in the main news forum suggest Apple are looking into and may be one of the main factors for the delay.
    7) OLED. With latest technology to minimize panel degradation.
    8) Some other as yet unknown X-Factor. Remember, this is Apple :D Though in saying that, I have to say the iPad had no X-factor for me at all.

    I can't imagine any company trumping the processor, RAM nor SSD that Sony have selected at this stage. With Apple's history of not incorporating bleeding-edge tech even in their flagship notebooks (the Macbook Air is a stunning exception), I'm not massively optimistic, nevertheless I can't wait to see how Apple respond especially with Steve Jobs recent quote:

    "New Macs for 2010 are going to take Apple to the next level"

    Despite the Arrandale Apple notebook delays (I'm religiously following the Arrandale thread with all of you), maybe the delay signifies something. Maybe we're in for a treat :)
     
  2. roadbloc macrumors G3

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    The Sony Z looks fantastic but at $4500 I think I'll have to take a pass. I don't think we can realistically hope that Apple will improve much on the macbook pro beyond the processor and graphics--maybe battery life. Steve Jobs has become uninterested in notebooks -- its harder to trap people into expensive "ecosytems" with a full powered computer.
     
  5. Tyrion macrumors 6502a

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    The Vaio Z is one of the most appealing computers I've ever seen. Also, I think only the ridiculously specced-out version actually costs 4'500 bucks; it can be had for much cheaper if you dont get it with four (!!) SSDs. It's quite awesome that they've managed to stick a dedicated GPU with 1GB of memory and an optical drive into this compact enclosure - makes you wonder why Apple doesn't do the same in their 13-inchers. After seeing the Vaio Z, "lack of space" wouldn't be a believable excuse.

    The Vaio's big achilles heel is its lack of USB 3.0. If the upcoming MBPs have it, that alone would still make me get the MBP over it.
     
  6. bigjnyc macrumors 601

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    well if Apple charged $4500 for the MBA I'm sure the specs would be alot better. I'm sure they can get much more in there at the same weight but not for the price they are charging now.
     
  7. rhett7660 macrumors G4

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    Let's not forget if they did charge that much the up roar we would see in these forums!

    Nice puter by the way.
     
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  9. Jobsian thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Unfortunately true and Apple's current lethargy in introducing Arrandale notebooks may suggest that.

    And yes forgot about battery life - Apple's non-replacable, real-estate-maximising batteries will almost certainly be more impressive than the Vaio
     
  10. andiwm2003 macrumors 601

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    is there a cheaper version? no blue ray, 512MB graphics, maybe slightly slower and cooler CPU, 256GB SSD.

    that should bring the price to a more real $3000. then it would be a killer.
     
  11. niuniu macrumors 68020

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    Well Apple charge $3,591.98 for this 13 inch MBP

    2.53GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
    8GB 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x4GB
    256GB solid-state drive
    SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
    Backlit Keyboard (British) & User's Guide (English)

    So in comparison to Apple's prices and specs, that top of the range VAIO is pretty good value. Remembering it's a compact and light 13 inch.
     
  12. 6-0 Prolene macrumors 6502

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    OLED is still a very expensive technology. Ditch that and it could be affordable.
     
  13. andiwm2003 macrumors 601

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    i just specced out a more realistic version for me. unfortunately the 4GB version is out of stock so I chose 6GB. would be 150 bucks cheaper.

    Estimated Ship Date 03/16/2010

    Intel® Core™ i7-620M processor (2.66GHz) with Turbo Boost up to 3.33GHz
    Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium 64-bit
    Silver
    256GB (256GBx1) Solid State Drive with RAID 0 Technology
    6GB (4GBx1 + 2GBx1) DDR3-SDRAM-1066
    CD/DVD Burner
    Large Capacity Battery
    3 Year Express Ship Service Plan with Accidental Damage from Handling Protection

    cost 3099 dollar. remember the 4GB version would be 2959 bucks.

    sounds very reasonable to me. windows 7 looks quite interesting now.:cool:
     
  14. Jazwire macrumors 6502a

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    The 512 GB SSD, is a pretty penny as well.
     
  15. neondrgns macrumors regular

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    ITS NOT $4500 ITS $1800 starting
    please stop spreading disinformation and qualify your currency the dollar sign works for multiple currencies, say USD.

    $4500 may be the maximum amount you may spend on a full tricked out sony vaio, but thats still cheaper than Apples 17" mbp fully tricked out.
     
  16. plasticphyte macrumors 6502

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    A 13.1" screen @ 1920x1080? Wow. Thats got to hurt your eyes.

    Specs outside of that are very impressive.
     
  17. Nykwil macrumors 65816

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    http://www.engadget.com/photos/sony-vaio-z-series-review/#2695117

    view the bottom, and then view when it's opened up

    Bottom = not what i believe in.

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    opened = reason why the out of box experience is that much better from apple.

    The specs are nice and all but the asking price is ridiculous.


    Once again you can't cram super high end specs and expect a well designed machined to cost reasonable
     
  18. andiwm2003 macrumors 601

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    :confused:
    well i chose 1600x900 for that reason. just can't find if its matte or glossy.

    engadget says:
    i love matte!

    btw: i think it looks great. opened or from the bottom. actually i don't get TrunksGoku's point.:confused:
     
  19. polotska macrumors 6502

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    I've never been impressed by the build quality of the Vaios that I've seen and used.

    I hope this one is better.
     
  20. Jobsian thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I mean USD dude, got the figure from this site - Highest spec Vaio Z (Signature Collection) starts at $4,499 USD - link
     
  21. Jobsian thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    That's another area Apple may be able to trump the Vaio because of their theoretically more efficient unibody (also their non-replaceable battery). Nevertheless it looks like Sony+co are cleaning up their insides more since Apple introduced unibody - there's a youtube video with one of the Sony engineers talking about the design - less composite parts etc. Whatever design differences, it must have been very efficient to cram that much in and keep it at 3lbs
     
  22. Peter95 macrumors member

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    Yeah for that price, it better be stacked, but pound for pound, if rather buy a MacBook pro, spend half that price and buy the following model MacBook pro with the money I didn't spend with the first purchase....
     
  23. Icaras macrumors 603

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    Very well put. The Vaio is a steal compared to Apple's closest offering.
     
  24. entatlrg macrumors 68040

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    Spec's aside ... Price aside .... how is each computer to use day to day, I've owned both and can provide some input.

    The Sony screen is incredible, viewing movies, photo's it's hard to beat *but* that's what TV's and external monitors are for ... I work on my computer an with resolutions like that on a 13'1" screen you get eye strain from reading fonts so small. Whether you eyes are good or bad, to read fonts that small from that distance for long periods of time is not good for anyone's eyes. There's a lot of info on the topic, (google).

    Past the resolution you have the squatty 13'1" screen, again good for movies horrible for scrolling through documents, yes it's a noticeable difference to a 13'3" screen.

    For a typing experience Sony's chiclet keys to Apple .... Mac's are much better to type on the keys are more round and indented with just the right amount of travel. Sony's keys seem to have sharp edges, corners, you'll notice they seem sharp after typing long periods.

    The heat on the Sony is a problem, I'm not saying it isn't with Mac's either but these super high spec's create heat, the MBA's lower spec's save heat .... for a notebook that size full power isn't important to me, it's not often why they're sold, convenience and usability are the primary reasons and super hot noisy ultra-portables are no fun to use.

    Use a Sony Z for a month and a MacBook Air for a month, I'd bet 9 out of 10 would choose the Air.
     
  25. FoxDavis macrumors regular

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    change the hard drive will bring it down a little I'm guessing. But still it runs windows... yuck
     

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