South Carolina: Where Men Murder Women and Legislators Don’t Care

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http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/08/20/charleston_post_and_courier_series_on_domestic_homicide_in_south_carolina.html?wpsrc=fol_tw

Tuesday evening, the Charleston Post and Courier released a massive seven-part series on South Carolina’s failure to take domestic violence seriously—a failure that has resulted in the state leading the nation in the murder rate of women at the hands of men (currently the best measure we have for domestic homicide). The series, titled “Till Death Do Us Part,” is the result of interviewing “more than 100 victims, counselors, police, prosecutors and judges” to create a multimedia story chronicling the failures of legislators, law enforcement, social services, and even churches to do enough to fight the problem of domestic violence. Journalists Doug Pardue, Glenn Smith, Jennifer Berry Hawes, and Natalie Caula Hauff unflinchingly place much of the blame on South Carolina culture: heavily conservative values about marriage and gender roles, as well as an enthusiasm for guns that makes it nearly impossible to get them out of the hands of men who want to kill women.
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South Carolina, they write, is a state “where men have long dominated the halls of power, setting an agenda that clings to tradition and conservative Christian tenets about the subservient role of women,” leading to “a tolerance of domestic violence.” Even though research shows that the murder rate from domestic violence “declines three months” after a couple has been kept apart and “drops sharply after a year’s time,” power players in the state frequently prioritize keeping couples together over victims’ safety.

For instance, the Post and Courier interviewed state House Minority Leader J. Todd Rutherford, a Democrat, about his refusal to support any bills increasing the maximum penalty for a first-time domestic violence offense, which is currently 30 days in jail. (The maximum penalty for beating a dog, the Post and Courier notes, is five years.) Rutherford “said such laws fail to take into account that many cases involve families that might be preserved,” arguing that women frequently drop the charges because they “realize the destructive consequences for the whole family.” Never mind that the belief that women are supposed to move heaven and earth to make their marriages work causes victims to stick by men they know are dangerous.
 
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This really shows how treating woman like they are less then men will kill them. How Christians will forgive the men and blame the woman for a violent marriage.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/08/20/charleston_post_and_courier_series_on_domestic_homicide_in_south_carolina.html?wpsrc=fol_tw

Tuesday evening, the Charleston Post and Courier released a massive seven-part series on South Carolina’s failure to take domestic violence seriously—a failure that has resulted in the state leading the nation in the murder rate of women at the hands of men (currently the best measure we have for domestic homicide). The series, titled “Till Death Do Us Part,” is the result of interviewing “more than 100 victims, counselors, police, prosecutors and judges” to create a multimedia story chronicling the failures of legislators, law enforcement, social services, and even churches to do enough to fight the problem of domestic violence. Journalists Doug Pardue, Glenn Smith, Jennifer Berry Hawes, and Natalie Caula Hauff unflinchingly place much of the blame on South Carolina culture: heavily conservative values about marriage and gender roles, as well as an enthusiasm for guns that makes it nearly impossible to get them out of the hands of men who want to kill women.
Amanda Marcotte Amanda Marcotte

Amanda Marcotte is a Brooklyn-based writer and DoubleX contributor. She also writes regularly for the Daily Beast, AlterNet, and USA Today. Follow her on Twitter.

South Carolina, they write, is a state “where men have long dominated the halls of power, setting an agenda that clings to tradition and conservative Christian tenets about the subservient role of women,” leading to “a tolerance of domestic violence.” Even though research shows that the murder rate from domestic violence “declines three months” after a couple has been kept apart and “drops sharply after a year’s time,” power players in the state frequently prioritize keeping couples together over victims’ safety.

For instance, the Post and Courier interviewed state House Minority Leader J. Todd Rutherford, a Democrat, about his refusal to support any bills increasing the maximum penalty for a first-time domestic violence offense, which is currently 30 days in jail. (The maximum penalty for beating a dog, the Post and Courier notes, is five years.) Rutherford “said such laws fail to take into account that many cases involve families that might be preserved,” arguing that women frequently drop the charges because they “realize the destructive consequences for the whole family.” Never mind that the belief that women are supposed to move heaven and earth to make their marriages work causes victims to stick by men they know are dangerous.
How you got that legislators don't care, and that it somehow is to blame on christianity is beyond me.
 

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Well I guess since is says that conservative Christan politicians won't pass laws like disarming men when they are accused and found guilty of domestic violence or pass laws that would protect woman from them.
States that have mostly conservative christian politicians have the highest rate of death of woman from domestic violence.
 

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What does an experienced lawyer and legal scholar write about this type issue?

http://www.uiowa.edu/~030116/158/articles/dershowitz3.htm

The most shocking finding of this study--which analyzed nearly ten thousand cases--is that wives murder their husbands far more frequently than press reports would suggest. To put the issue in context, women in general account for only about 10 percent of defendants charged with all murders. But for all spousal murders, women accounted for more than 40 percent of defendants. And "among black marital partners, wives were just about as likely to kill their husbands as husbands were to kill their wives." Not surprisingly, when it comes to parents who kill their children, mothers kill more often than fathers.

The real headline of this report, therefore, is that women W almost as often as men do in the context of all family murders, though men much more often kill strangers--nearly always other men,

The other shocker in this report is that husbands who kill their wives are not treated more leniently than men who kill strangers, despite the media myth to the contrary. Indeed, they were as likely to be charged with first-degree murder, were no more likely to have their cases dismissed or diverted, and were as likely to be convicted. Nor were their sentences significantly different, when relevant "case characteristics"--such as prior criminal record--were taken into account. Indeed, the only real difference is that spousal murderers "required less time to disposition than other types of murder cases."
 

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Well I guess since is says that conservative Christan politicians won't pass laws like disarming men when they are accused and found guilty of domestic violence or pass laws that would protect woman from them.
States that have mostly conservative christian politicians have the highest rate of death of woman from domestic violence.
And because the doublex contributor writes it, then it must be the causative factor?

I'd like you to explain that one.
 

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Perhaps you should read the text you so carefully quoted. It's all in the article.
And this article, it is written by the bastion of truth and impartiality that is slate.com

A little about the author of the article:

Amanda Marie Marcotte (born September 2, 1977) is an American blogger best known for her writing on feminism and politics. In 2004 she won a Koufax Award for her blog Mouse Words. Time magazine described her in 2007 as "an outspoken voice of the left," and said "there is a welcome wonkishness to Marcotte, who, unlike some star bloggers, is not afraid to parse policy with her readers." Time also described Marcotte's blogging as "provocative and profanity-laced."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanda_Marcotte

She sounds like a good person to get the unbiased truth from. I never should have doubted her :rolleyes:
 

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Cause that is his MO.;)
yep not going to be a christian apologist. nothing wrong with Christians as long as they stay out of others not try to run everyone's lives and convert them same as everyone else should treat others. When their faith hurts or causes otehrs to die I have a problem with it.
 

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yep not going to be a christian apologist. nothing wrong with Christians as long as they stay out of others not try to run everyone's lives and convert them same as everyone else should treat others. When their faith hurts or causes otehrs to die I have a problem with it.
I'd still like some proof that the "christians" in your article are doing any of that.

Beyond the opinion of some lunatic blogger, of course. I want actual proof.
 

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well you did ask for how Christianity hurts woman so I guess it is time to provide a bit of info. though google is your friend and it is easy enough to find.

this is just a tiny bit of course
not including all of the laws the GOP have nto passed to protect women.
Every major world religion – without exception – is intensely patriarchal. Every one of them engages in the systematic devaluation of women, in the systematic exclusion of women from positions of authority, and in the systematic oppression and even enslavement of women. I have yet to find a single major religion that bucks this trend. Considering how little many of these religions have in common otherwise, this is a truly remarkable pattern. A few denominations, influenced by the feminist movement and other moral advances, are only now beginning to redress this glaring inequity, but for the most part progress has been extremely slow and the vast majority of religions still treat women as less than human.

Despite its having been housebroken by the Enlightenment, Christianity is one of the worst offenders. Although some Christian denominations have taken faltering steps towards women’s equality, all those denominations still believe in and endorse the Bible, which is without a doubt one of the most misogynistic books in existence.
http://www.hiddenhurt.co.uk/religion_and_domestic_violence.html
Why consider the religious or spiritual issues of Religion and Domestic Violence? Because these are fundamental not only to the believing victim and abuser as well as their Church, but also to all those who live in a culture which is largely based upon Christian moral values and traditions.

I want people to realize that it isn't RARE, that it isn't something that only happens with the addicted, the poverty struck. That it happens in churches. Just because someone may claim to love Jesus, we are all fallen. Thomas was a Christian, but he was messed up all the same. I am a Christian young woman, but the powers of an abusive relationship are deep. They are intense, and they are terrifying. (Abigail's Story)
Religious people across all denominations are not exempt from Domestic Abuse, however, there appears to be a serious lack of understanding regarding abuse and the dynamics of abusive relationships and their impact upon the lives of people involved within churches and demoninations generally.

When considering Religion and Domestic Violence we have to realise that religious or spiritual factors are central to the victim's understanding and response. His/her own faith and the support of Church members can be vital in helping the healing process, while a lack of understanding regarding the Biblical perspective on abusive relationships by the victim or those he/she turns to for spiritual guidance and support can add to the emotional, physical and financial hurdles already faced.

Many women in abusive relationships feel they ought to submit to their husbands out of duty, that they have no right over their own body, life or even opinions. Quite often this misconception is furthered by advice from clergy, elders, rabbis or other members of the Church or congregation. Some men may feel trapped by their beliefs in an abusive relationship, unsure of their position towards their wives or girl-friends. Some men may feel that unless they lord it over their partners, they are not doing as they ought to in the sight of God, that their position is one of Master, of Lord of the household. Often quotations or excerpts from the Bible are used to justify abusive behaviour, or the suppression by one member of the household of another. This in itself is a form of spiritual abuse.
 

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Try again.
why? it is not my job to show you how traditional religion hurts woman. if you can't see it that's your choice. but realty is women suffer under traditional religion and that's a fact. There are far worse religions for woman but Christianity is not good for them either. it is just not as violent about it. They still don't have equal rights to men.
 

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why? it is not my job to show you how traditional religion hurts woman. if you can't see it that's your choice. but realty is women suffer under traditional religion and that's a fact. There are far worse religions for woman but Christianity is not good for them either. it is just not as violent about it. They still don't have equal rights to men.
Islam


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why? it is not my job to show you how traditional religion hurts woman. if you can't see it that's your choice. but realty is women suffer under traditional religion and that's a fact. There are far worse religions for woman but Christianity is not good for them either. it is just not as violent about it. They still don't have equal rights to men.
I asked you for proof that christians in South Carolina are behind the problems your link talked about.

The lunatic ramblings of Amanda Marie Marcotte do not count as a valid source.
 

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But think of the above examples where did it happen? pretty primitive faiths and places. but when we are said to be #1 in the world and the way woman can be treated here it is pretty pathetic. No woman should be treated badly because of faith. faith is very hard on woman all through the world.
http://billtammeus.typepad.com/my_weblog/2014/03/3-28-14.html

Does our society treat women as second-class citizens in many ways? Sadly, yes. Can you trace the root of that prejudice back to religion?

CarterJimmy Carter (pictured here) thinks so.

Unequal treatment, he said in an interview with NBC's Andrea Mitchell about his new book, A Call to Action, "is really derived, I would say, indirectly from the fact that religious leaders say that women are inferior in the eyes of God, which is a false interpretation” of Scriptures.

Just as the Bible was misused to justify slavery for a long time, so it also has been misused to keep women down. (Well, gays, too, but that's another terrible story.)

Especially troublesome in regard to women is some of the writing attributed to the Apostle Paul, who in some of his letters to the congregations he helped to start says things about the role of women that need to be interpreted carefully so that readers don't immediately assume that women should shut up in worship services or that women are in all ways subservient to men, especially in marriage.

That's how Paul is misread as speaking to all congregations and people in all ages.

A pretty good rule of thumb is to be profoundly cautious of any interpretation of scripture that results in pain or subjugation of people instead of in love and fairness.

I think Carter is mostly right about this matter. And it's up to religious leaders to help members of their congregations understand the primary lessons of the Bible, which, as I say, are about the responsibility to love and not about power position arrangments.

Read more here: http://billtammeus.typepad.com/my_weblog/2014/03/3-28-14.html#storylink=cpy
 

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I asked you for proof that christians in South Carolina are behind the problems your link talked about.

The lunatic ramblings of Amanda Marie Marcotte do not count as a valid source.
if you want to learn how religion and the GOP have hurt woman do a little research. it is pointless for me to show you as you don't want to see. I bet there are thousands of blogs and web pages of woman telling how they are hurt by it. The info is out there if you want it. if you don't then what is the point of me showing you?
 

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if you want to learn how religion and the GOP have hurt woman do a little research. it is pointless for me to show you as you don't want to see. I bet there are thousands of blogs and web pages of woman telling how they are hurt by it. The info is out there if you want it. if you don't then what is the point of me showing you?
I want to see, show me. I won't accept biased blogs as sources though.
 

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I want to see, show me. I won't accept biased blogs as sources though.
If you want to see it find it. Mostly when I do a search I get abortion info. I am not going to try to find every law passed that hurt woman. it would be a lot of work. I don't need it proved to me I have read enough of women's reports of it's effects on them.
http://www.vawnet.org/applied-research-papers/print-document.php?doc_id=411
Violence Against Women and the Role of Religion
there have been many news reports of the GOP voting against laws that protect or help woman.