Star Trek fans Rejoice!!

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by aethier, May 20, 2004.

  1. aethier macrumors 6502a


    Feb 1, 2003
    Montréal, Canada
    Hello fellow Mac geeks, and star trek geeks,

    I am pleased to report that UPN is going to be keeping enterprise for a fourth season (it was uncertain for quite sometime whether or not it was continueing). I just don't know how they are going to top season 3 which has been quite amazing..

    plot ideas?

  2. dethl macrumors regular

    Aug 28, 2002
    Austin, TX
    Bah to renewal

    I think Enterprise is a sorry excuse for a Star Trek show in comparison to TNG and DS9 (heck even Voyager was better!). I wish UPN had renewed Andromeda for another season rather than Enterprise.

    My $.02
  3. Krizoitz macrumors 65816


    Apr 26, 2003
    Tokyo, Japan
    TNG was good, but it lacked depth. DS9 had depth, but the plot started going south after the first few seasons, heck the finale was sad. Voyager started weak but finished strong.

    Enterprise is something different, something new. People got upset because the theme song was a different style. I liked it because it showed that Enterprise wasn't just going to be more of the same.
  4. FoxyKaye macrumors 68000


    Jan 23, 2004
    Livermore, Terre d'Ange, Bas Lag, Gallifrey
    Oh, I've got an idea! How about Capt. Archer pounds down a few too many Saurian Brandies and flies the ol' NX-01 right into the sun? :D Seriously, I'd have a hard choice between watching every commercial William Shatner has ever made and watching another season of Enterprise. :eek:

    My problem with the show is that it isn't groundbreaking - it actually needed to incorporate a plot from the 27th (or is it 29th, or 30th) century to keep it fresh. It's like watching Quantum Leap all over again in the Star Trek universe. I mean, can you imagine the UPN Boardroom?

    Q: "Guys, Enterprise is dying, no-one is watching it! What do we do?"
    A: "Well, that dude Backula seems to know a thing or two about time travel, let's see if we can work that in a little! Damn the Trekkies if nothing happening makes any sense with the Star Trek universe to date. I want TIME TRAVEL!"

    I remember the rumor mills when the show was first being launched: UPN was considering a hyper-next generation type show: post-Cardassian War, sometime in the 25th or 26th century as the Federation is embarking on its first time-travel missions and the galaxy is divided between the Federation, the Borg, and the Dominion; extra-galactic travel is possible thanks to advanced transwarp technology; intrigue and mayhem abound as old galactic power-players seek extra-galactic alliances. That sounded so much more promising... :(

    Brannon Braga needs to be drawn and quartered - it's the only way to make up for his complete butchering of Star Trek. :mad:
  5. strider42 macrumors 65816


    Feb 1, 2002
    I thought the DS( story lines got a lot better, up until the last season. it dealt with politics, war and religion in a way none of the other treks have fleshed out so well. I like TNG, voyager wasn't great, but its got a few good episodes. it would have been a much better show if they didn't have so many characters figuring out "what it means to be human" first the doctor, then seven of 9, then the other borg kids, arguably kess was in that same vein. It really got to me.

    Enterprise I really wanted to like. I love the casting, I just found the story lines to not be compelling so I stopped watching it.
  6. Angelus macrumors 6502

    Apr 19, 2002
    New Zealand
    I must say that i really like enterprise. Granted the plot goes south at times but i feel that the brings a humanity to the star trek universe that is more familiar to this day and age. I love the theme song although i can't stand the season three version, it reminds me of felicity/party of five etc.
    Overall, i love the setting. Mankind is venturing out into the unknown, i especially liked the episode which paralleled the early space race and breaking the sound barrier, Chuck Yager anyone?
  7. aethier thread starter macrumors 6502a


    Feb 1, 2003
    Montréal, Canada
    TNG: was good, had good episodes etc.
    DS9: slow at first, so they introduced the dominion, made it good and had episodes that actually continued a storyline. Though for every good episode it had, it was out numbered by crappy episodes that dealt with boring stuff on bajor.
    VGR: ...was good until enterprise came out, and we realised that star trek could once again have episodes that went together. e.g.: a typical voyager episode has nothing to do with any other episode aside from the fact that at the end Janeway would give her log entry and conclude by saying they are going to the alpha quadrant. They would suffer loads of damage (they had to resort to shooting, for ratings, nobody cared about chakotays vision quest's etc.) then pull what i refer to as the "voyager style ending”..."so we have this interesting plot eh... hmm too bad like usual we only have like 3 minutes left of air time... lets last week was a dream, the week before was a temporal anomaly, the week before the fake voyager from the daemon planet... so ... iniminiminimo.. Dream it is” following that queue the bridge crew and a crappy conversation, Harry bitching about never been promoted, and misses his parents, with a hint of chakotay sharing a bunch of his crappy rituals nobody cares about that his dad taught him. Multiply by 7 seasons et voilà. (There were some good episodes, but after seeing every single episode over 3 times, you start to notice how similar and plot less they are.)

    Enterprise: expanded on the idea that ds9 got right, and subtracted the crappy episodes that nobody cared about. (Well that started more around season 2 but still) enterprise is good has the cool xindi plotline, with the cool episodes with Daniels, and time travelling; they have even been on the enterprise-j.


    enterprise is highly underrated
  8. invaLPsion macrumors 65816


    Jan 2, 2004
    The Northlands
    I LOVED Voyager!!!!

    One of the best ST series...
  9. aethier thread starter macrumors 6502a


    Feb 1, 2003
    Montréal, Canada
    it was good, just extremely repetative

  10. Dippo macrumors 65816


    Sep 27, 2003
    Charlotte, NC

    You have it all wrong. TNG was just classic, DS9 really sucked the first few season, and didn't pick up until they threw in the multi-season arc of the Dominion. Voyager should have just taken the caretakers "ship" and went home during the first episode.

    Enterprise has/had potential but relies way too much on time travel. There is lots that can done without having to time travel every episode! I do love the arc that was introduced with the Xindi, but I think it dragged out way too long. I also feel like the crew doesn't mesh that well, or maybe I have just been watching too much Stargate.
  11. Powerbook G5 macrumors 68040

    Powerbook G5

    Jun 23, 2003
    St Augustine, FL
    We don't get UPN here and Fox doesn't air it since we get the Fox station from Jacksonville and they get UPN so I haven't been able to see Enterprise. It's annoying because I am a big Trekkie and have been unable to watch a whole series because for some reason UPN has such a limited coverage. What happened to the good old days when Fox had Star Trek? It made it so much easier to watch it.
  12. alxths macrumors 6502

    Apr 3, 2003
    I'm going to have to give enterprise a second chance... it seemed so lame to me when i watched a few episodes in the first season, but most shows need some time to pick up, i guess.
  13. bousozoku Moderator emeritus

    Jun 25, 2002
    Gone but not forgotten.
    I hope they have a plan for the new season. If they save Earth from destruction, they're going to need to do something else and their first plan wasn't really working too well.

    I've been watching ST Voyager again. The first season started off okay, but somewhat unevenly. The second was much better. Kate Mulgrew wasn't the original selection for Captain Janeway but she's certainly a better choice.
  14. TEG macrumors 604


    Jan 21, 2002
    Langley, Washington
    Enterprise Rocks.... This one week to the season finale is driving me nuts.

    As for Season 4, I'd like to see the TCW wrapped up a bit, perhapse leading to the Suliban leaving the Alpha Quadrant, or going extinct. I'd also like to see more andorians and vulcans fighting. I'd like for someting stupid to cause the Romulan wars, and have Archer be the force behind a Human/Andorian/Vulcan/Xindi Alliance to defeat the Romulans. Oh Snap! That will take at least 4 seasons... WooWho! 4 Seasons of storylines in one paragraph.

  15. blueflame macrumors 6502a


    Apr 3, 2003
    Studio City
    1st: TNG
    2nd: Votyager
    3rd: Enterprise
  16. Savage Henry macrumors 65816

    Savage Henry

    Feb 20, 2004
    in a one horse, two house, three pub town.
    resistance is futile

    ... I ... must ... resist ... the ... urge .. to troll.....

    ... must ....

    aargh .... I must be ... under .... some ... Vulcan mind map ..... or something...

  17. Chaszmyr macrumors 601


    Aug 9, 2002
    TNG was very good, Voyager was good, Enterprise sucks.
  18. kiwi_the_iwik macrumors 65816


    Oct 30, 2001
    London, UK

    I'm a big Enterprise fan. The characters bridge the gap between "us" and TOS.

    I would love, however, to find out how the writers explain just WHY technology takes giant leaps BACKWARDS - where CRTs make a comeback in Kirk's era, leaving holograms and LCDs behind...

    And what about the skivvies?!? Not too keen on the fashion of the future. They should've stuck to overalls.

    Heh! ;)
  19. floatingspirit macrumors 6502

    Oct 13, 2001
    Seattle, WA
    OH MY GOD!!

    I still can't believe I lost all my "DATA" !!!!!!

    :p :p :D :D ;) :D
  20. DarkNovaMatter macrumors member

    Aug 3, 2001
    TOS- Well, it all started here and had some verry good writing- so yeah I do like it.

    TNG- Next gen of trek- slow first season but then picked up and created its own style. Some of the good writers continued over from TOS (more like guest writing)

    DS9- One of my favorties (between DS9 and TNG)- Had a Babylon 5 style to it, multiple plots going through not just episode to episode, but season, and even the full series. Had the first 2 or 3 seasons be somewhat dry, but then picked up- deffinently had good writers (even thought it had a few episodes that added nothing to plot,etc.)

    Voyager- Didn't really watch first few seasons- then started watching cause it seemed to pick up- liked the borg episodes, and others in the later seasons.

    Enterprise- I watched the first 2 seasons- show had a lot of potential. 3rd season ended up going downhill for me- I agree with the other poster that the time war is used too much as something to keep the show going (too many other things that ae usd to keep the show going, or support it). I was really hoping this one would do well, even with the treknology problems (phase pistols 50 years before Pike? (Pike had laser pistols.....), ship design that looks like and Akira class vessel). Even Bermans' hiring of new writers for this season didn't really work out.
    Braga was good (did some verry good TNG episodes, did a lot of Voyager episodes), but know I am not sure. If there is one thing that could help save Enterprise it would be D.C. Fontana- and if you don't know who she is (and are into trek heavily), you should really look up her episodes for TOS and her own sci-fi! Right now I am sort of wish we got to see the Federations first moves into time travel- oh well..........
  21. Little Endian macrumors 6502a

    Apr 9, 2003
    Used to love Star Trek

    Star Trek used to be great.... I was a very big fan indeed and have quite a bit of Memorabilia. I stoped watching Star Trek about 4-5 years ago. The Franchise just needs to die with diginity or they at least need a Decade long break. TNG was good, watched every episode and know each and every by heart. I liked DS9 as well though it did get off to a Rocky start. Voyager was palatable but that's about when I stopped keeping up with the Star Trek Universe. I have seen about a half dozen Episodes of Enterprise though and the biggest dissapointment is how it almost completely throws out every accepted Star Trek timeline fact that was previously established. Every Trek timeline, encyclopedia or Compendium made no Acknowledgement of a Previous Enterprise before Kirk's Enterprise. The technology also does not seem to fit the timeframe. I would have much more liked to have seen a Series on Enterprise B or C or perhaps something set farther ahead in the future from TNG. The acting in Enterprise is also about the worst I have seen and the it just is'nt star trek. The last Movies also was a very big dissapoinment.
  22. hvfsl macrumors 68000


    Jul 9, 2001
    London, UK
    I cant stand Andromeda, none of the people seem to know how to act and the stories are generally borring.

    As for Enterprise, I thought it was pretty borring in the beginning, but it has got a lot better since. So I am glad they have renewed it and hope it continues to get better.
  23. Roger1 macrumors 65816


    Jun 3, 2002
    Ugh. I made the mistake of asking for Insurrection as a gift a few years ago. It was (is) awful.
  24. Dont Hurt Me macrumors 603

    Dont Hurt Me

    Dec 21, 2002
    Yahooville S.C.
    i like Enterprise but Star Trek has them all, Spock, Bones, Kirk. phasers on stun! the newer shows all became squeeky clean , holier then thow and the essence of perfection. everyone was a saint. not at all real world. this equals boring. I like this thang Trip & the pretty vulcan got going on. ;)
  25. agreenster macrumors 68000


    Dec 6, 2001
    Walt Disney Animation Studios
    What's Star Trek?

    Seriously, I watched The Next Generation religiously for about two weeks.

    The origial Star Trek was before my time (born in 79) but I actually did watch the movies. Or, at least, one of them. The rest (DS9, Voyager, etc) just dont appeal to me. Too fake. I mean, there's that Q fella who is pratically God, and like previously mentioned, everything is super antiseptic and bland.

    I guess I just dont get Star Trek, nor its appeal. I also think they came out with way too many versions.

    And did I mention its fake?

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