State of the Union... or, declining nationalism in America.

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Kingsly, Jul 4, 2007.

  1. Kingsly macrumors 68040

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    My house is the only one in the entire neighborhood that has an American flag up.

    1. Out of over 500.

    This sickens me.

    Discuss.
     
  2. geese macrumors 6502a

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    Why does this sicken you? Do you really need to show pride in your country so blatantly?
     
  3. skunk macrumors G4

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    Happy Independence Day. Enjoy! No, really.
     
  4. killr_b macrumors 6502a

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    I understand. About 1/4 of the houses here have flags up.

    People just forgot temporarily that the United States is us, the people. And if we don't like our government servants we can fire them all.
    The media has been attacking our principles for a while now, and it's destroying national pride and our faith.

    If everyone would snap out of the media induced hypnotized state their brains are in they would realize that we aren't bound to these new ideas of income tax and national debt, and that all these problems and more can be solved once you cut away the fat of all these bankers and lobbyists in Washington.
     
  5. Ugg macrumors 68000

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    My, aren't we testy!

    I didn't realize that flying the flag was a requirement for home ownership in America.

    Perhaps the declining pride in what the USA stands for is the reason. What is there to celebrate today? The fact that in the last 6.5 years we've become a new-fascist state?
     
  6. solvs macrumors 603

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    I still love my country. I hate it's leadership, and am extremely disappointed at the opposition (if you can even call it that), but they are not the country. They aren't the ideals that we're supposed to stand for. And based on the low approval ratings, a majority of us feel that way, and who can blame them. So yes, it is sad that we can't be proud of our country while being ashamed of our gov, but maybe you should be madder at those who made is so we're so ashamed.

    I was going to put my flag up, but after the Libby thing, I really don't want to. Not even sure I want to go to the fireworks show. I still love my country, but honestly, I'm not wanting to show it right now.
     
  7. zimv20 macrumors 601

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    fly it upside down, then, to represent the danger our country is in this 4th of july.
     
  8. zimv20 macrumors 601

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    anything going on in politics that also sickens you? or does the symbol trump the thing it symbolizes?
     
  9. aquajet macrumors 68020

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    The only way I considered flying the flag today is upside down. I seriously considered it until I remembered I live in Texas. I'm afraid of the potential backlash from some the jingoists and fascists in town who made their presence known during the 2004 and 2006 elections. They were all too happy to deny my right to express my support for non-Republican candidates.
     
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  11. Kingsly thread starter macrumors 68040

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    I obviously chose the wrong vocabulary word.

    I am not referring to the state of affairs on DC. That is sickening. I was referring to what appears to be declining nationalism in the US.

    Americans, on average, do not take part in the political process. They don't vote, don't follow the going's on in Congress, don't fire the guys they don't like (ya'll can agree there, right?) and don't appear to have a long enough attention span that, even if they did decide to try and change the system, would get bored and move on to something else before the task was done.

    I've travelled a lot, on nearly every continent. Americans are by far the lease politically minded bunch.

    Flags are not exactly what Im mad about. It's that Americans don't appreciate the amazing freedoms and ability they posses as units in the world's most powerful democracy.

    killr_b put it best. I also like what Solvs said. Hate the leadership all you want. I don't care. But DC is not America. Apparently people don't get that. :(
     
  12. atszyman macrumors 68020

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    Bear in mind, that many people are traveling over the holiday and won't be home to put their flags outside. Rather than fly it for days with no supervision, in the dark and possible inclement weather, many may have opted to just not put it out.

    I had a house near our neighborhood that did that for quite some time. Never did figure out if they were doing it to make a point or if they were just idiots who thought it was right side up since it was not a straight flagpole, rather one of the angled bracket from their house.

    This was in TX so they were either informed of their error, or lynched, since I haven't seen the flag in awhile.
     
  13. zimv20 macrumors 601

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    cool. i don't think that was clear in your first post.

    while i agree with you on the broken-ness of the process and the general apathy of the voting public, i'm not so convinced that flag-counting is the best way to gauge process participation or love of country.
     
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    No, it's not. Nationalism is healthy. When it escalates beyond Patriotism, then yes, maybe dangerous.

    I used to be young and idealistic and politcally very active on a local level, voted in primaries too and local elections. Then I went to college and left the country and stopped. I realized: I don't like America.

    Agreed DC is not America. But it's not Bush. I just don't like this country and its people. This country is the land of opportunity, why my parents chose to come and why I am thankful. But honestly, I'd love to live in another country, preferably in Europe.

    There people take real lunch breaks and eat more than your microwaved or leftoverwhatever. People on the street are real friendly and help a lost traveler - lending me their cell phone even. In Germany where I lived the parks and streets were filled with families. The streets are clean.

    I'm not proud of the representatives of our country. But I'm not proud of Americans either.

    Re the flag, I don't own one and don't care to much.
     
  16. pseudobrit macrumors 68040

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    Come all ye young rebels, and list while I sing,
    For the love of one's country is a terrible thing.
    It banishes fear with the speed of a flame,
    And it makes us all part of the patriot game.

    My name is O'Hanlon, and I've just turned sixteen.
    My home is in Monaghan, and where I was weaned
    I learned all my life cruel England's to blame,
    So now I am part of the patriot game.

    This Ireland of ours has too long been half free.
    Six counties lie under John Bull's tyranny.
    But still De Valera is greatly to blame
    For shirking his part in the Patriot game.

    They told me how Connolly was shot in his chair,
    His wounds from the fighting all bloody and bare.
    His fine body twisted, all battered and lame
    They soon made me part of the patriot game.

    It's nearly two years since I wandered away
    With the local battalion of the bold IRA,
    For I read of our heroes, and wanted the same
    To play out my part in the patriot game.

    And now as I lie here, my body all holes
    I think of those traitors who bargained in souls
    And I wish that my rifle had given the same
    To those Quislings who sold out the patriot game.
     
  17. Edandlindz28 macrumors regular

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    You are free?
     
  18. MACDRIVE macrumors 68000

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    I took a little trip down the freeway today in my American made automobile just for fun and to relax. I didn't have to cross through any militant checkpoints nor worry about any roadside bombs. I enjoyed my brief excursion of freedom. :)
     
  19. Ugg macrumors 68000

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    From what?
     
  20. Ugg macrumors 68000

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    You obviously haven't spent much time near the Mexican border. Militant checkpoints are pretty common.

    Roadside bombs in the US are also more prevalent in the US than in any other developed country. How anyone can drive such broken down, unsafe vehicles is beyond me.:D
     
  21. SMM macrumors 65816

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    America is unlike any other country. It is the purest form of class-free, unchecked capitalism. It is also the home of a of an incredible hoax. America has lived a lie about itself. It is not the great benevolent spreader of world democracy.

    America began as a colony for England, France, Holland and Spain. The inhabitants broke those associations, but did not break from colonialism. We imported slaves and colonized the lands owned by the indigenous peoples. By the time we had reached the Pacific, we began colonizing abroad. We had learned nothing about being good people. We did become very good bad people.

    Since the turn of the 20th century, we have practiced a neo-colonialism. Put a strong ruler in place, or support on who is already there, make a show of humanitarianism, force unfavorable business concessions, and hope the putz can remain in power. Many of our 'foreign allies' are among the worst despots in history, far worse than SH.

    We have well over 1,000,000 people in prison. We have many times that living on our streets. Our national debt is so high, soon we will not be able to make the interest payment. While most of the world wants to address environmental catastrophes, we cover our eyes, ears and mouth.

    The solutions; more jails, more police, fewer social programs, more deficit spending and more denial. Yes, we have so much to be proud of.
     
  22. solvs macrumors 603

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    Though better than in some countries, not as much as you'd think, especially lately.
     
  23. Peterkro macrumors 68020

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    @ psuedobrit

    Your man James Connolly knew a thing or two about nationalism:

    Not a Republic as in the United States, where the power of the purse
    has established a new tyranny under the forms of freedom.
    James Connolly

    “If you remove the English Army tomorrow and hoist the green flag over Dublin Castle., unless you set about the organization of the Socialist Republic your efforts will be in vain. England will still rule you. She would rule you through her capitalists, through her landlords, through her financiers, through the whole array of commercial and individualist institutions she has planted in this country and watered with the tears of our mothers and the blood of our martyrs”. - James Connolly, from Socialism and Nationalism in Shan Van Vocht, January 1897
     
  24. paddy macrumors 6502a

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    pseudobrit I can assure you without Irish nationalism we (the Irish) would still be under what was an undeniably cruel and tyrannical regime.
     
  25. Edandlindz28 macrumors regular

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    Well you are free enough to post whatever you want in this forum.
     

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