Statewide emergency: homelessness in California.

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    http://ktla.com/2016/08/23/l-a-coun...ion-of-statewide-emergency-over-homelessness/

    How great is this economy?
     
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    Swept under the rug. i remember someone suggesting that they all register for unemployment, not to get the benefits, but to at least show up in the stats.
     
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    Really good, which is why the rental rates can be so high.

    So you need to ask why the homeless are homeless? Can they really not find a job? Because the warehouse where my husband is working now has been hiring like crazy in a 7 day a week 24 hour a day 3 shift operation. And still cannot fill all the openings.

    So, what is the problem here? Are these people so unskilled they can't even do the most basic burger flipping warehouse working job? Are they mentally deficient in some way? More details are needed that simply saying the economy is bad and leading to homeless.

    Again, if the economy were truly bad, there wouldn't be cranes all over building things. And rental housing wouldn't be able to charge such high rates.
     
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    You can't live in these places flipping burgers.
     
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    Sure you can....it's called two incomes or taking on roommates. You surely don't think that all the people who work in California fast food places are bussed in from Nevada and Arizona by the thousands each and everyday do you?
     
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    Sure you can just ask any Republican politician.
     
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    Didn't think it would take too long for someone to bring up Republicans.

    Hold on... I'm going to check something...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States

    Yep, the same president for years and years... he's a Dem. He fixed it, didn't you get the memo?

    800px-President_Barack_Obama.jpg
     
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    Poor people gavd been voting democrat for years and they are still poor, now they are poor with mandates to buy insurance or pay a fine. , great job.
     
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    Well first off they probably live with their parents if they are working in fast food.
     
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    Not really. Many will take anything to make ends meet. Interviewed programmers (CNC) willing to work as machine operators or even fork lift operators just to be employed. Manufacturing took a heavy nose dive after NAFTA.
     
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    even poorer people have been voting republican and are still poor still poorly educated still taking the most government handouts have the worst schools the worst sex ed and on and on. next.
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    am I wrong? do republicans think people can live on min wage or not? or are you dodging the facts of it?
     
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    Said 8 years ago: Obama will fix it.
    Said 4 years ago: Give Obama more time, he'll fix it.
    Said today: Ok, Obama made it worse, but Hillary will continue asking for more time.


    Socialism has never, ever worked. Study the past.
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    I explained the min wage problem before. Study the past, or at least read the posts.

    Enjoy the ride, you've earned it...
     
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    Hussein's America


    His Muslim Love didn't fix a thing.

    The liberals are giving us Hillary.


    Fasten your seatbelts :eek:
     
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    I think you may want to tighten them straps on the straight jacket.
     
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    if they get really tight, we'll call it ObamaCare :D
     
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    If there is no straight jacket we will call it great coverage says the GOP.
     
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    Wait! So the most populous state has the most homeless?

    Shocking.
     
  21. pdqgp, Aug 23, 2016
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    Rentals are up because when the housing bubble burst those that should never have had a mortgage to begin with were back to renting. Also, the younger generation is more mobile and not staying put because they are scrambling to find good paying jobs. They don't have the money needed for a down payment so they continue to rent.

    In terms of cranes and building; it's not necessarily a sign of a strong economy, just cheap money. Businesses are also leverage tax abatements. Our distribution company moved into it's own building vs renting because we received a 10yr tax break from the city and the cost of money is at historic lows thus making this a great time to go build our own place.
     
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    I'm sure you were just a gleam in your grandparents eye when it all happened, but, back in 1964 I can assure you that the city parks in California cities were not full of homeless people. Then, a lot of stuff happened. Like, the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act (1967): link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanterman–Petris–Short_Act
    Like, the Sixties. Like, Ronald Reagan presiding over the shutdown of a number of state hospitals, in which patients were forcibly ejected from the hospitals onto the streets. Source(s): A number of books by E. Fuller Torrey, e.g. :(1988), Nowhere to Go: The Tragic Odyssey of the Homeless Mentally Ill, Harper Collins, ISBN 0-06-015993-6. Like, the chronic underfunding of community mental health. Culminating in, e.g., the Los Angeles County Jail being one of the largest mental hospitals in the U.S. Source (many more, just Google): link (of course, depending on how you count, Cook County (Chicago), Miami, and New York have all been "the largest").

    What this has to do with "this economy" I don't know, other than it sucks that there is no national policy, and, various interior cities/states have been able to get away with shipping their mentally ill populations to coastal cities. And, some of those coastal cities have fought back and shipped the mentally ill back.

    See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinstitutionalisation
     
  23. pdqgp, Aug 23, 2016
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    Republicans favor states controlling min. wages. That said, there are many democratic states with wages higher than the national rate and I don't believe even they have gone much higher than around $9.50/hr.

    There are several cities that are ramping up these wages too. San Francisco ($15 by 2018), Seattle ($15 by 2021), Chicago ($13 by 2019) and San Diego ($11.50 by 2017) which makes sense since they have higher costs of living. However, by raising those wages, it's simply going to similarly raise the cost of many things so businesses can make up for having to pay those higher wages.

    At some point I'm sure people will realize that you can't unfairly go against the law of supply and demand in terms of the labor pool and their skill sets for the jobs that are available. Doing so will just continue to artificially raise prices and reduce available jobs.
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    at some point the poor will eventually realize that gov't and social programs aren't the solution. Perhaps they will finally realize that the solution lies within their own self in terms of skill and will to succeed. Hopefully they watch the olympics and saw the dedication of all those that did so well.
     
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    To be fair, if they're homeless I'm guessing them meet the poverty level and would be converted by CA State Medicaid. I don't know exactly what their system looks like, but I'd bet they have pretty comprehensive coverage.

    Granted, I get your point. Obamacare I don't think has had too many positive benefits on the healthcare system. Insurance to 26 is great, no denial on pre-existing conditions, but other than that you have many people paying higher premiums, higher deductibles, and higher copays.

    I had a patient consult the other day with insurance through the state exchange. $35 teir 1 copay with a $500 pharmacy deductible. Crazy considering the wholesale cost of the drugs were $5.00 and $3.00. $70 a month for $8 worth of medication. Plus a $6800 deductible that might not even be reached with the level of outpatient care he's recieving... Worth it?
     
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    Reagan and other rights groups worked together to protect people that could have been imprisoned without proper cause. They had no rights, Reagan restored those rights. There's a long history of people being locked up against their will and without going thru the system.

    The very problems that we face today are because our founders knew enough about human nature to understand how we end up treating each other when we don't agree.

    One of the "causes" for being locked up was being afraid of the government locking you up.

    Just as now, when some in power call people crazy or terrorist over climate change or gun control. It's human nature that people don't like to listen to other opinions, it gets heated, people get hurt.

    Reagan restored basic rights to due-process so that people don't spend their lives in the system.
    The problem is one of economics and our leaders don't have the problem solving skills to solve this problem.
     

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