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Captain, get that thing out of your backside and swallow your pride!
No, but I work in project management and I know, how big IT corporations work. This situation, I believe is not reflecting the general state of the industry. It is a pretty sad situation, when there is a problem that obviously has a severe effect on the consumers, and because of some proprietary interests, hurt or personal ego of a powerful CEO, that problem does not get resolved. Not many companies could risk such a stubborn attitude. It is not even about survival. Adobe and Apple can co-exist. This is about shooting yourself in the leg to make a point.
Any decent and mature homeowner would try to speak to the neighbour, if there is a problem with their fence. Here, one party does not even remember, why they have a fence, just keeps blaming the neighbour. Meanwhile, the kids suffer, because they cannot play balls.
I am aware that Apple is mostly at fault and I agree that their excuse and bullyish approach are unacceptable. People get rightly upset, when they feel that they are overlooked in such a major argument. As many people raised the issue, it's not about Jobs' vision of the future of internet. It's about consumers' preferences about today's web landscape. That will cost sales and it generates mistrust.
I have no doubt that Apple will sell millions of this device, which will get very soon updated, just like the first iPhone (in an embarrassing fashion). Apple smelled the money in its stores and they want to develop that business model, covering more consumer groups and more areas of life. Also, which corporation wouldn't like big telecom companies subsidising their product?
But Apple's ill-fated association with AT&T should warn them that sometimes, growth can damage long-term interests. I am not a fool not to see how much shareholders' value Apple created in the last few years. But with this philosophy, nobody can sustain this kind of growth or maintain the current position. In the end, these practices will bite back Apple and the shareholders.
Apple is in a fortunate position to have unusually high cash reserve. Arguably, companies in this situation start buying up companies and sooner or later, they start wasting money and destroying these companies. I don't think that they couldn't spend more on R&D for the tablet. In practical terms, I don't think that this screen is anywhere near to the Kindle's. With books, colour does not matter. With browsing, Flash matters. With pictures, a built-in USB port matters.
They might have overlooked the competition and found themselves in a situation when there is an artificial hype around their new product, which does not live up to the expectations. Whoever will lose money on Apple stocks in the next few months, can blame this.
Losing control over quality management, upsetting basic customer groups and continuously relying on dated technology might not be the best insurance that Apple can perform well in, let's say two years' time.
No, but I work in project management and I know, how big IT corporations work. This situation, I believe is not reflecting the general state of the industry. It is a pretty sad situation, when there is a problem that obviously has a severe effect on the consumers, and because of some proprietary interests, hurt or personal ego of a powerful CEO, that problem does not get resolved. Not many companies could risk such a stubborn attitude. It is not even about survival. Adobe and Apple can co-exist. This is about shooting yourself in the leg to make a point.
Any decent and mature homeowner would try to speak to the neighbour, if there is a problem with their fence. Here, one party does not even remember, why they have a fence, just keeps blaming the neighbour. Meanwhile, the kids suffer, because they cannot play balls.
I am aware that Apple is mostly at fault and I agree that their excuse and bullyish approach are unacceptable. People get rightly upset, when they feel that they are overlooked in such a major argument. As many people raised the issue, it's not about Jobs' vision of the future of internet. It's about consumers' preferences about today's web landscape. That will cost sales and it generates mistrust.
I have no doubt that Apple will sell millions of this device, which will get very soon updated, just like the first iPhone (in an embarrassing fashion). Apple smelled the money in its stores and they want to develop that business model, covering more consumer groups and more areas of life. Also, which corporation wouldn't like big telecom companies subsidising their product?
But Apple's ill-fated association with AT&T should warn them that sometimes, growth can damage long-term interests. I am not a fool not to see how much shareholders' value Apple created in the last few years. But with this philosophy, nobody can sustain this kind of growth or maintain the current position. In the end, these practices will bite back Apple and the shareholders.
Apple is in a fortunate position to have unusually high cash reserve. Arguably, companies in this situation start buying up companies and sooner or later, they start wasting money and destroying these companies. I don't think that they couldn't spend more on R&D for the tablet. In practical terms, I don't think that this screen is anywhere near to the Kindle's. With books, colour does not matter. With browsing, Flash matters. With pictures, a built-in USB port matters.
They might have overlooked the competition and found themselves in a situation when there is an artificial hype around their new product, which does not live up to the expectations. Whoever will lose money on Apple stocks in the next few months, can blame this.
Losing control over quality management, upsetting basic customer groups and continuously relying on dated technology might not be the best insurance that Apple can perform well in, let's say two years' time.
Adobe is lazy. They are still using code from the early 90's in their products. Flash, Photoshop and Illustrator should have been written from scratch 10 years ago, but because they don't have any competition, they keep using the same bloated buggy code over and over again.
Quark was this arrogant. Then Adobe came out with InDesign and almost put them out of business.
Quark was this arrogant. Then Adobe came out with InDesign and almost put them out of business.
Looking forward to macbook upgrades.
I hope A+ Iphone actually means anything, I've been more than disappointed with the iPhone releases since the 3G came out.. The first iPhone went from a sleek flatback Aluminium iPhone to a poorly build plastic phone.
The 3GS upgrade was just a phone thrown out there to make people shut up.
Please steve, Bring back the quality iPhone.
I hope A+ Iphone actually means anything, I've been more than disappointed with the iPhone releases since the 3G came out.. The first iPhone went from a sleek flatback Aluminium iPhone to a poorly build plastic phone.
The 3GS upgrade was just a phone thrown out there to make people shut up.
Please steve, Bring back the quality iPhone.
Give me a break. I was evangelizing Apple to everyone who would listen back when it felt like I was the only person in the world using their computers.
People these days are so caught up in the hype they've apparently lost their critical thinking abilities.
I don't usually add my 2 cents to threads that have hit the 30 page mark, but here it goes:
I have a 2ghz dual core Mac Mini with 2 gigs of Ram. All the latest OS updates, all the latest Browser updates (well, Safari, Firefox, and Chrome at least). While I do wish that my iPod touch could use flash, I can say with full confidence that Flash is the most common reason for my browsers crashing, browser stalling, and just general "internet glitching".
YouTube for example just freaks out sometime. Other websites appear broken after continual use. I wish I could say it was all in my head, but I'm a CS/SE by trade, and this sort of sh*t stands out to me like a sore thumb
Yes, I wish Apple had Flash, but not Flash as it stands today. If Apple can help put the final nail in Adobe's purchased format, and push us towards HTML5 faster, than I'm with Apple.
I have a 2ghz dual core Mac Mini with 2 gigs of Ram. All the latest OS updates, all the latest Browser updates (well, Safari, Firefox, and Chrome at least). While I do wish that my iPod touch could use flash, I can say with full confidence that Flash is the most common reason for my browsers crashing, browser stalling, and just general "internet glitching".
YouTube for example just freaks out sometime. Other websites appear broken after continual use. I wish I could say it was all in my head, but I'm a CS/SE by trade, and this sort of sh*t stands out to me like a sore thumb
Yes, I wish Apple had Flash, but not Flash as it stands today. If Apple can help put the final nail in Adobe's purchased format, and push us towards HTML5 faster, than I'm with Apple.
2005 was the year of HD for Apple...
Give it another 5 years.
LOL, wow. Apple's approach to proper hardware specs and functions is a joke.
Steve jobs is fallible, and yes, I probably will buy the competing tablet and put it next to my three macs, iphone and two ipods.
Why not replace dashboard/front row with an new interface - basically take the iPhone OS and overlay it on top of OSX? Give me access to my apps on my iMac and MBP.
Apple doesn't like adobe since the PowrPC days, when adobe came out and said Wintel platform is the best for running adobe softwares( Photoshop).
But thats not the real issue here. One company controlling entire video experience on the web is not a good thing - be it Flash or Silverlight. So we need HTML5 as a standard.
Look at an example on HD-DVD and Blu-Ray codecs. VC one is the most preferred codec on HD videos, Microsoft makes money each time we play a video. Apple's dominance on Media (with AAC standard) helped us to enjoy video on different devices not just on platforms running windows media player. And I bet google is thanking apple for that .
Same with Webkit, if Microsoft had its say, we will be enjoying only half the internet on our macs and linux anyways. So we should thank Safari and Webkit for taking a different approach. I think Apple and Google wants HTML5 to succeed, otherwise when Flash dies Silverlight may take over.
But thats not the real issue here. One company controlling entire video experience on the web is not a good thing - be it Flash or Silverlight. So we need HTML5 as a standard.
Look at an example on HD-DVD and Blu-Ray codecs. VC one is the most preferred codec on HD videos, Microsoft makes money each time we play a video. Apple's dominance on Media (with AAC standard) helped us to enjoy video on different devices not just on platforms running windows media player. And I bet google is thanking apple for that .
Same with Webkit, if Microsoft had its say, we will be enjoying only half the internet on our macs and linux anyways. So we should thank Safari and Webkit for taking a different approach. I think Apple and Google wants HTML5 to succeed, otherwise when Flash dies Silverlight may take over.
so you feel. based most likely on the fact that you won't buy one and neither say a fair chunk of the folks here.
I say, so what. in the end, you really don't matter. the thousands of folks that don't play on boards like this do matter and they will buy. and buy and buy. and show it off to their friends who will buy.
and in about 90 days we'll see which of us is right and which is eating his words
Um, here's a few things Android does better than the iPhone:
1) Multitasking
I do not need it
2) System-wide voice search
Don't need it
3) A decent Gmail app with "actual" push Gmail
Don't use GMail
4) More phones on more networks = more choice for consumers
I still have a choice. Owning an iPhone doesn't keep me from making a choice
5) User swappable batteries
my 1st gen iPhone's battery still works fine
6) Like it or not, a more open app ecosystem. We have Google Voice, do you?
Don't need Google Voice. I have a phone
7) Adobe and Google have gone on record saying Flash is coming to the Android platform. Sure, HTML5 might be better, but in the meantime I'll be more than happy to watch Hulu on my Droid while you run one app at a time on your iPhone.
The rare times I do watch Hulu I watch it on my computer
Granted, Apple could add several of these to the next version of the iPhone, and I hope they do, because it's unfortunate such a great device is limited in so many ways. And until Hulu and YouTube make a complete move to HTML5, Flash is the way to go.
Flash is only good to make money for advertisers.
Yes exactly, so when Flash crashes it doesn't take Safari with it.
You just invalidated your own argument. Nice work.
Which argument did I invalidate?
Make sure you disable flash and multitasking, those features hinder functionality.
You're talking about Apple, Inc? Stock ticker AAPL? The same Apple that just posted their most profitable quarter...ever...again...for the 10th straight quarter? The same AAPL that moves the entire NASDAQ index when it makes significant movements?
You mean that non-competitive Apple that consumers and Wall St. are souring on?
Riiiiight.
You mean back in the 80s when they first came out with a desktop? Now they have gone mobile and neglected you.
I do agree that blind comments on either side are silly.
Here is a good article on the iPad with a slant of old world vs. new world computing.
Why do they not create an app for it? Didn't I read that some bank (here in the UK) has produced an app for their bank?? You should be able to connect with your bank via this device, I agree, and if you can't through the browser, then they should provide an app for it. I'm with you on this one big time.
Apple wants to be a toaster company. I'm not sure what the means for the rest of us in the long term.
You mean back in the 80s when they first came out with a desktop? Now they have gone mobile and neglected you.
I do agree that blind comments on either side are silly.
Here is a good article on the iPad with a slant of old world vs. new world computing.
Actually, in the 80's they were leading.
I don't feel neglected, I have several Apple mobile devices. Man, how sad would it be if a company could conjure feelings of neglect. I just think the iPad sucks
Or they could, you know, make Flash reliable on the mac platform and forget about it all. I don't understand why the plugin for OS X is so butchered compared to the one on windows.
Flash runs perfectly fine on my mac both in windows and os x, but sometimes when running an intensive flash game in os x i see a hiccup, but never in windows.
Haha...far from it. Just frustrated with the "we don't like it so lets drop it" mentality. Flash seems to work fine in windows...and I haven't liked or used windows in a very long time, so I'm not just blatantly Apple bashing. I like OSX, I like my MBP, I like Mac Pros, I like iMacs. I just don't like things not being supported because Apple didn't write them or because they can't figure out how to get it to work right with the 2 dudes they've assigned to debugging...
I think you're getting a little ahead of yourself here. The logistics of a hybrid device like this would be huge, and I severely doubt that the 30 pin dock connector could handle all that kind of communicative feed in its current form.
I have bookmarked your post because in 6-8 months when you own one I will be able to quote this.