Steve Jobs vs. Donald Trump

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  1. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    I was musing about these two difficult personalities, and while I see similarities, I do perceive them as distinctly different. I read Job's biography, and he does have his moments where he manipulates people through lies, but I never got the impression he was a pathological liar as I see trump. Likewise Jobs comes off as an extremely egotistical person, yet I probably would have settled for that description instead of calling him a narcicist as I readily label trump. Both men seem better suited to run a company more than a country, and the idea of Jobs as president is as repelling to me as our current choice.

    So I offer the topic to the forum, to compare and contrast the two, perhaps even to speculate how Jobs would react to the difficulties trump has been dealing with.
     
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    Jobs did not run against cheeto Hitler. Mrs sniper fire who got debate answers ahead of time, who went after bills accusers and failed to disclose the Russian bribe into the foundation while deleting e-mails from a private server that was set up to avoid complying with the FOIA did .
    So your apples to orangegutan comparison is simply not good :D
     
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    And in that context, we have the reason that Trump is President.

    No matter what the other choices might have been, the result of the election would have been "Not Hillary".

    If there hadn't even been a republican candidate, Hillary still would have lost.

    It was Hillary's history and recent actions combined that cost her the election. Hillary was the one candidate that could come in second place in a race with no competition.

    It would be nice to have an election where we don't have to choose between the better of the worst options available.

    But, here we are. And it's time to work to make the best of the situation.
     
  4. vrDrew macrumors 65816

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    What an absolutely absurd argument.

    You would have preferred Idi Amin? Hitler's ghost? Charles Manson? An empty bag of Fritos to be your President?

    Because any of those were somehow preferable to a woman who had spent, quite literally, her entire adult life to improving the lives of other people?

    People like you are the reason the United States is going to lose (at least) half a decade of economic, social and political progress. Hope you are proud of yourself.
     
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    Actually it's people like you who decided to overlook her misdeeds and prop up the most corrupt woman in U.S history that are to blame . We could have had Bernie. But noooooo. Thanks Karma
     
  6. jpietrzak8 macrumors 65816

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    Nah, there's no comparison here. While both CEOs may have used similar techniques at times, Jobs actually had a goal in mind. He had a fairly clear understanding of what kind of product he wanted to sell to people and how to sell it. I doubt he would have achieved nearly as much success in a different field; he was a specialist, with a deep understanding of the field in which he worked.

    Trump, on the other hand, is a generalist. He really doesn't give a crap about what he's selling on any given day; he's in it for the fun of making a deal, not to achieve any particular goal.

    Of the two, I suspect Trump is more suited to the role of President. Jobs could have made an astounding President, but probably only if he'd been in politics his entire life; transplanting him from Apple into the government would not have been a good fit. Not that Trump is doing all that great himself, but at least his skill-set has a chance to be of use.
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    Actually, it's people like you who decided to manufacture endless fake "misdeeds" and "corruption" involving Clinton that are to blame. You've allowed know-nothings like Bernie, who may have the best intentions at heart but know nothing about dealing with executive issues, to invade the Democratic party and remove any chance for any viable competitors to Clinton to compete with her.

    So now, we've got Trump. Karma.
     
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    I'm responsible for Clinton losing. SWEET :D
     
  8. flyinmac macrumors 68030

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    Trump isn't a prize. But having a Third round of the Clintons would have been worse.

    If Hillary hadn't taken the downhill road during her recent political career, it might have been different.

    But, honestly, I would have voted for Bill Clinton again before I voted for Hillary Clinton. And yes, I did vote for Bill once.

    Bill wasn't perfect. But his wife proved to be far more corrupt.

    Bill couldn't cover up anything. He couldn't even mask the smell of a (inappropriately) used cigar.

    If the worst we had to worry about is where the cigars had been, that would have been preferable to the mastermind of cover ups and corruption that Hillary proved to be.
     
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    To return us to the OP:

    Donald Trump and Steve Jobs could not, in my mind, be two more different people and personalities. When Steve Jobs told us something was going to be "insanely great" - he more often delivered on his promises. Jobs may have been a demanding boss, but he had the ability to inspire a great many people to create fantastic things. Steve Jobs may have made himself extremely wealthy, but he also enabled literally millions of other people to make themselves very wealthy as well. I don't know that Jobs ever stiffed a supplier, a lender. a customer. or a partner. Steve Jobs never put his name, or that of his company, on a product that was shoddy and worthless.

    When I heard the news that Steve Jobs had died, I felt a profound sense of loss and sadness. That we had lost an individual who had fundamentally made the world a better, richer place.

    I somehow doubt I'll feel the same way when Donald Trump slips this mortal coil.
     
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    Bundy or Dahmer

    I love limited choices. I don't particularly care for either man, each for entirely different reasons
     
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    Will Smith or Ed Sullivan?

    Sammy Davis Jr. or Ellen DeGeneres?

    Fred Flinstone or George Jetson?

    Sylvester Stallone or Brian Williams?

    Albert Einstein or Mark Twain?
     
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    Youtube's time limit prohibits a montage of Trump's lies ;)
     
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    From the biographies I've read on SJ I would say the difference is that he created his own reality and let people into it, even if some of it was based on ********. For Trump I get more of the feeling that he's playing a game to win and is aware of his own BS.
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    Steve Jobs didn't recognize his own kid for quite some time, that's 100% worse than stiffing a supplier who doesn't deliver to the T.
     
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    I don't know how you guys can compare Steve Jobs, to a Crook like Donald Trump?

    Steve Jobs, When he said something was going to be great, You Believed it, He inspired People and he was all about Quality and he made Apple to what it is today.

    Donald Trump is just another Con Man, (Bait and Switch). This video sums it up

     
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    First and foremost mentioning Steve's name in the same context as trump is offensive to me.


    Lucky Sperm Club

    Steve no Trump yes

    Multiple bankruptcies

    Steve no Trump yes

    Additional bankruptcy averted by important loans from dad, brother and banker mandated supervised personal spending.

    Steve no Trump yes

    Changed the world

    Steve definitely Trump not yet, but the fool may get us all killed before the midterm election.

    Innovator

    Steve yes, absolutely Trump no

    Smake oil salesman

    Steve no Trump nothing but


    Again any comparison of Steve to that other one creeps me out.

     
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    I'm a 3rd party kind of guy, so John Wayne Gacy. Clowns give me the heebie-jeebies.
     
  17. steve knight macrumors 68020

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    your responsible for trump winning bad.
     
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    nah, as long as Hillary lost I am good :D
     
  19. citizenzen thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Just picking two people at random isn't quite what this discussion is about, unless you'd like to identify the similar traits that each of your paired examples share in contrast to the distinct differences in their personalities.
     
  20. steve knight macrumors 68020

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    well then you have extremely low standards don't you? thanks for trump.
     
  21. citizenzen thread starter macrumors 65816

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    From what I've read and observed, it seems to me that when it came to sharing the reality that you describe, Jobs wasn't very interested in letting other people in on it, while trump would love it if everybody piled in on his reality, as loving him is the centerpiece of it.

    One thing I wonder is whether Jobs had the capability of attracting a political following as trump did. On one hand I don't think Jobs had the charisma to pull it off, but then I remember how he presided over so many product rollouts, where he did have some ability to captivate an audience. What I suspect is that the audience was really far more interested in the products than in Jobs, and if the product he was selling was himself, he wouldn't be nearly as persuasive as trump.
     
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    you actually voted Hillary ....................
     
  23. steve knight macrumors 68020

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    yep no choice look what we got. makes Hillary look like a duffer. war, stupidity, lies greater then Santa clause himself
     
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    Trump hasn't changed the world?
     
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    I rest my case as there was a choice.
     

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