Still No Nuclear Deal with Iran

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    Not sure what this portends; however, Iran doesn’t appear willing to give up their nuclear program any time soon. I doubt that Israel will attack (they don’t have the capability) but who knows what Obama is thinking? The Saudi’s would love for America to unilaterally attack Iran. In any event, it’s evident that John Kerry has been ineffectual on this issue. Obama needs a Richard Holbrook-type to deal with this issue full-time. Maybe an Iran-Nuke Czar?

    http://www.politico.com/story/2014/11/john-kerry-iran-nuclear-deal-extension-113153.html?hp=t4_r
     
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    Honestly I'm glad to see the restraint from this White House on Iran. The media and Israel has been aiming for damn near twenty years to start a war there.

    The problem with that, is our own military reviews (the QDR) as well as other intelligence reports explicitly state that Irans entire military is postured only for defense (to slow down invasions to force negotiations). The funny thing is is nearly ALL the "non-aligned" nations around the world recognize Irans RIGHT to nuclear energy production. The problem is that the war hawks are looking to essentially blow up the Middle East by destroying the last major stable country there.

    Everytime I hear about how Iran is a threat I just look back and consider:
     

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    I love that graphic. You can say the same thing about Putin, putting Russia right in the middle of NATO.
     
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    Exactly. Since Bush the Greater we have systemically broken our "handshake agreements" not to expand NATO ever further to Russia's doorstep. That was an agreement made at the fall of the USSR to ensure stability in Russia and to prevent the assets of the former USSR from getting into the wrong hands. We promised cooperation, and all we've done for damn near 30 years is lie and stick our finger in Russia's eye.

    The encroachment of NATO agreements into Ukraine is what sparked Putin's actions...but good luck finding that on corporate television.
     
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    And now Finland is considering NATO membership. That would be a huge mistake and only encourage Putin to shore-up his perimeter. If Putin seems threatening (and he is), put yourself in his shoes for a moment and consider NATO's creeping encirclement. If you've ever seen "The Fog of War, " you'll remember Robert S. McNamara's eleven lessons from Vietnam:

    • Empathize with your enemy
    • Rationality will not save us
    • There's something beyond one's self
    • Maximize efficiency
    • Proportionality should be a guideline in war
    • Get the data
    • Belief and seeing are often both wrong
    • Be prepared to re-examine your reasoning
    • In order to do good, you may have to engage in evil
    • Never say never
    • You can't change human nature
    That is an excellent documentary and should be required viewing for any policymaker.
     
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    It truly is a classic and a HUGELY important film.
     
  7. stylinexpat macrumors 6502a

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    Odd how they keep pushing for a nuclear deal on Iran while those complaining about Iran themselves have not signed on to the NPT :roll eyes: Like a man with a gun pointed at another guy asking him to drop his gun while he refuses to drop his.
     
  8. Happybunny macrumors 68000

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    Iran is at this moment in the war against IS, of more use than Israel.:cool:
     
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    That's the truth. I've always believed that the United States should find accommodation with the Shi'ite world because with very few exceptions (all involving Israel), the Shi'ites are moderates compared to the average Sunni. Iran may seem extreme at times, but they don't have daily public beheadings like ISIS and our friends the Saudis. Iran actually has a technology sector and they build stuff, unlike the lazy, oil-soaked Saudi royals who import everything--workers included--and contribute nothing to the world but petroleum.
     
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    The concern about Iran has been the crazy fundamentalist Shi'ites running the country, but when you look at the crazy Republiopaths about to take control of the US Congress, they make the Iranian leadership look mild and level-headed by comparison. Maybe the international community should be paying attention to who has control of the US nucular arsenal instead of poking sticks at Iran.
     
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    how convenient for them to have our bases so handy then :p
     
  12. AX338 macrumors regular

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    We should let them have reactors.

    I like the new guy he has a friendly face.
     
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    They've had reactors for years. The question is producing HEU.
     
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    Then let them have Hugh as well.....new guy....friendly face....etc....
     

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