Student walkout

RichardMZhlubb

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You think these kids need to continue to miss class to go to protests?!? They can do it on their time off. Not only is it the law, considering liberals go on about uneducated voters better get dem kids back in school.
These kids gained more valuable insights and experiences yesterday at these events than they would have in class. I’m not suggesting that they should spend all of their time protesting, but someone who complains about the fact that they spent part of one day trying to make the world a better place is someone afraid of what they might accomplish.
 

s2mikey

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My 16-year-old daughter was able to register to vote when she took her driver's test earlier this year. The first thing she did after she received her registration information in the mail was to create an all-day event in her calendar app for November 3, 2020 titled "Help Get Rid of Trump." And, believe me, she's not alone. These kids are pissed at what the "adults" did in 2016 and are looking forward to being able to help fix their mistake.
Right. Because the adults voted against politics as usual and refused to elect a total liar and crook named Hilary Clinton? Im not saying Donnie is the best thing to ever happen to the world, not at all. But these kids ought to be pissed at the school system for indoctrinting them and be pissed at themselves for getting sucked into this "Govt should run your life" mentality that they appear to champion.

Besides, this "walkout" was just a silly way for them to miss 17 minutes of Social Studies or whatever class they cant stand. C'mon. Like they really know how the world works at 16? No way.

Of course, some of them will change their tune REALLY quick when they get the tax bill for the socialist utopia that they're being sold. But whatever.... glad they all made their *statement*. :rolleyes:
 

RichardMZhlubb

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Right. Because the adults voted against politics as usual and refused to elect a total liar and crook named Hilary Clinton? Im not saying Donnie is the best thing to ever happen to the world, not at all. But these kids ought to be pissed at the school system for indoctrinting them and be pissed at themselves for getting sucked into this "Govt should run your life" mentality that they appear to champion.

Besides, this "walkout" was just a silly way for them to miss 17 minutes of Social Studies or whatever class they cant stand. C'mon. Like they really know how the world works at 16? No way.

Of course, some of them will change their tune REALLY quick when they get the tax bill for the socialist utopia that they're being sold. But whatever.... glad they all made their *statement*.
Yes, because I don’t care what hyperbolic complaints you want to throw out regarding Hillary, she was qualified and capable of doing the job of president, unlike the clown who won. The “adults” who put Trump in office committed the biggest act of political malpractice in US history. If they had half the sense of these kids, they would be embarrassed about what they have done to this country.

As for taxes, I’ll just paraphrase something my teenage daughter said, when in coverage of the the tax bill, a commentator said that this was why Trump was elected: “Republicans couldn’t find a candidate who wasn’t an idiot and didn’t abuse women to do this?”
 
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I have seen some absolutely revolting comments regarding the survivors of the shooting. Far right people wished that David Hogg had been killed because of the harm he is causing gun ownership. I was reading comments from anonymous users so they were free to speak their minds. They say all their rightwing friends share the same sentiments. How ****ed up must you be to wish a kid had died in order to not question gun ownership laws.... Sick. I am so done with it all. When the shooting happened I realized then and there a new movement was born and I felt so proud. I still do. These kids are powerful and they’re going to be voting soon..... listen to them now or else you’re going to have a bad time in a couple of years.
All you have to do is look around forums here and recognize that some people deep down wish that David Hogg was killed. What I’ve heard from others is..... if you know a rightwing person..... ask them if they wish David Hogg was killed too. Make note of how long they take to answer. Remember I’m just speaking what many are thinking. I have freedom of speech to make these remarks. And criticially note how many of them will not want to speak.... hiding their true intentions behind emotions (ie no we cannot talk about gun control so soon after a shooting - yes we should!)
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Besides, this "walkout" was just a silly way for them to miss 17 minutes of Social Studies or whatever class they cant stand. C'mon. Like they really know how the world works at 16? No way
All you’re doing there is telling the world how capable you were at 16. Don’t underestimate the intelligence of teenagers.
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Of course, some of them will change their tune REALLY quick when they get the tax bill for the socialist utopia that they're being sold. B
Tax rates for most US states is identical to countries in Europe but they get a lot more value for their contributions

Anti-tax Americans make me both laugh hysterically and cry. They make such stupid comments but the fact they believe them does make one weep. How did they end up this way??? There’s a running belief that schools must teach more “life” classes including how to pay taxes and where that money goes. I thought parents should teach that but I guess if they aren’t then schools really need to step in and prevent further kids leaving schools absolutely unaware of key pieces of knowledge....
Americans that are so steadfast against taxes..... do they not understand the point of them or what? How else are public schools, roads, emergency services wages paid for? How does the military get funded..... don’t rightwingers love the military.... and the police?
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Right. Because the adults voted against politics as usual and refused to elect a total liar and crook named Hilary Clinton? Im not saying Donnie is the best thing to ever happen to the world, not at all. But these kids ought to be pissed at the school system for indoctrinting them and be pissed at themselves for getting sucked into this "Govt should run your life" mentality that they appear to champion.

Besides, this "walkout" was just a silly way for them to miss 17 minutes of Social Studies or whatever class they cant stand. C'mon. Like they really know how the world works at 16? No way.

Of course, some of them will change their tune REALLY quick when they get the tax bill for the socialist utopia that they're being sold. But whatever.... glad they all made their *statement*. :rolleyes:
Why are you so against kids wanting to improve the world? I guess it’s not just you but others here. It must be fear because a lot of these people are fed up with politicians. Sure yeah Obama did little but a Democrat appears to have a much better chance at changing gun laws than a republican. Especially when you look at which politicians the NRA donates money to..... it’s like 90% republicans! So of course nothing will happen with them in power. Good on these teens. They really are going to change the world. Challenging them directly won’t work. You’re going to have to work with them or you’re out..... It’s that simple.
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Maybe kids should stopping being so mean to people that don't fit in, or have mental, of emotional issues.

Isn't always the case with school shooters, but it's common enough that it's a real issue.

I just wish this whole schooling shooting fad would pass, but it doesn't seem it's going too, seem every nut job with access to a firearm wants to be infamous and attack people they know won't be armed.

I don't think the trouble will be addressed by violating the rights of millions of law abiding gun owners, but they should expect some reasonable limitations.

Mass shootings, way out of hand.
This generation are notoriously good like that. Remember: rightwing people moan about this gen for being too emotional, too empathetic, too social justice. Just remember that teenagers are ridiculed for being snowflakes. For wanting PTSD warnings when needed.
This is the majority of them. Of course there will be minorities of bullies.... It’s harder for bullies to exist now though so there aren’t as many. I don’t know why you’re complaining about kids not being as inclusive.... as when exactly?
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My 16-year-old daughter was able to register to vote when she took her driver's test earlier this year. The first thing she did after she received her registration information in the mail was to create an all-day event in her calendar app for November 3, 2020 titled "Help Get Rid of Trump." And, believe me, she's not alone. These kids are pissed at what the "adults" did in 2016 and are looking forward to being able to help fix their mistake.
I am proud of your parenting abilities and your daughter. She will help change the world for the better.... I trust you know that. This is an attitude I’m hearing more and more these days that kids are just fed up being shot and not listened to. DJT won by the skin of his teeth and lost the popular vote. Imagine how much a thrashing he’ll get next time with some of these kids now able to vote.... with the realities of him in power and adults realizing their previous mistakes.... bless the kids that will fix their world because adults did not.
 

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Maybe kids should stopping being so mean to people that don't fit in, or have mental, of emotional issues.

Isn't always the case with school shooters, but it's common enough that it's a real issue.
Or maybe it was perception on the part of the shooter, and he was very welcomed and just set himself apart. I see this every day. Some people just take it to extremes. Even with adults, hence the expression "going postal."

She has no right to question why anyone needs anything.
Again, it is not her place to determine what someone else needs.
Why has she no right to question? Don't we try to teach our children to question things? And whose place is it to determine what someone else needs? This is why we have laws and government.
 
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All you’re doing there is telling the world how capable you were at 16. Don’t underestimate the intelligence of teenagers.
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Having mentored HS students for a few years (I stopped a couple years back ...) including AP students, finding a student who understood even basic civil responsibilities was a rare event. Intelligence sadly does not equate either commen sense nor understanding. It takes experience for that to occur.
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Why has she no right to question? Don't we try to teach our children to question things? And whose place is it to determine what someone else needs? This is why we have laws and government.
If she was actually questioning and expecting an answer you would be correct. She was headlining. Or sound biting.
Asking and expecting would have been far more effective towards soliciting a dialog and understanding.
 

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I didn't watch any of this, did these kids speak to specifics on what they'd like to see happen? "We want gun control" isn't it. Saying they want an end to school shootings doesn't either, just about every person with a shred of moral fortitude does as well.
 
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I didn't watch any of this, did these kids speak to specifics on what they'd like to see happen? "We want gun control" isn't it. Saying they want an end to school shootings doesn't either, just about every person with a shred of moral fortitude does as well.
Some expressed their concerns and wants very well. Not all were for massive regulatory GC. Most IMO were parroting and sloganning. :(
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I suspect she would disagree with you. But then it's my opinion and your opinion. Neither of us know her mind.

Quite true.
 

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When I was in school I wished I wouldn't get picked on for being dirt poor. Being pushed down stairs for laughs. Getting harassed in the bathroom or screamed at for my mothers choice of profession.

I wonder, will taking away guns really solve the problem all the way? Will they realize that violence begets violence? Abusing another is wrong?

Or would it just make kids more creative with methods of acting out?
 

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My 16-year-old daughter was able to register to vote when she took her driver's test earlier this year. The first thing she did after she received her registration information in the mail was to create an all-day event in her calendar app for November 3, 2020 titled "Help Get Rid of Trump." And, believe me, she's not alone. These kids are pissed at what the "adults" did in 2016 and are looking forward to being able to help fix their mistake.
Hopefully she doesn't read this forum because the "adults" here on her side might change her mind.
 

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You think these kids need to continue to miss class to go to protests?!? They can do it on their time off. Not only is it the law, considering liberals go on about uneducated voters better get dem kids back in school.
Yeah, those 17 minutes would have made all the difference.
 

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I just hope these kids remember and vote when they turn 18.
The BBC headline about the walkout is "We're voting in 2020"

I just wish this whole schooling shooting fad would pass
Fad? Seriously? You could call the 'mass school shooting' (3 or more deaths) an tragic anomaly in 1868, and then the 1893 and 1898 as rare. The long break in mass shootings afterwards was probably the result of American families getting their fill of tragedy after WWI and WWII (save for one unfortunate event in 1940). 1966 marks the first year there were two mass shootings in the same year. Skipping ahead there were 3 mass shootings in the 70's, fortunately only one that qualifies in the 80's, but with 9 in the 90's the trend was alarmingly on the rise. The early 2000's saw 6, and there have been 9 mass shootings in the last 8 years of this decade. It's not a 'fad', it's an increasing trend. One where the average body count seems to get higher and higher.

It ain't going to change a thing, for in a few months this outrage over shootings will quiet down there will be sadly another school shooting.
It might quiet down, it might not change now, but I doubt these kids will forget.

She has no right to question why anyone needs anything. I would just bet anything, that if asked, there would never be a "good reason" to own an AR-15 to her. What law-abiding people do with their own money is none of her concern.
She has the right to question why anyone needs something that could end her life and that of 16 of her friends in minutes.

So school children walked out of lessons without permission. Is this not against school policy? Will they be suspended?
I hope they do suspend them. The empty schools would be a great metaphor to use in their protest. Maybe they should draw chalk outlines on the school sidewalks while they wait to go back.

Most IMO were parroting and sloganning.
Much is the state of politics for some time now.

I wonder, will taking away guns really solve the problem all the way? Will they realize that violence begets violence? Abusing another is wrong?
Taking all the guns away (while not really what they say they are after BTW) won't solve the problem of violence in school completely. I also think that these protests clearly demonstrate that they do realize that violence has begot violence and they know it's wrong and want it to stop. They are trying to do something about the problem, and want action where they see a serious issue.

Gotta love how none of these protesters are calling for reform of the Broward County Sheriff's Office, the FBI, etc. to whom Cruz had been reported to on several occasions.
To be fair, just because the media didn't focus on the particulars of what students were saying about one event doesn't mean they want reform there. That's thinking small (county), I get from the news that they want to tackle the issue federally.
 

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Much is the state of politics for some time now.

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If this was their heartfelt opinion and feeling, I could see they may have an impact in 2020. If their opinion is just reflecting current political headlines, the message will be different in 2020 unless we see another such event in the latter stages of the campaigns. For most HS students, last year was long ago and a couple years back was ages ago.

I suspect most will have moved on to other more current issues affecting their lives.
 

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I have to say, a lot of the teenage kids I see are bright, optimistic, and highly averse to bull****.

Yes, they can be cynical, but not in the same way that many older people are. Their minds haven't been poisoned. They still believe that it's possible to do some good for our country.

Their elders are cynical because they've come to believe that you can't make our country any better, so you might as well just look out for yourself.

Any future our country has will be up to the former group, not the latter.
 
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So you're whole view is based on paranoia.

Gotcha.
It's not paranoia when this is actively brought up by groups and policy makers. Examples of this have been shown in many other threads

I wonder how many of these kids would have done this on a Saturday? I feel many use it as an excuse not to be in class. I know I would happily take any reason to not be in school when I was 12-18
 
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Can we get more civilians licensed to buy more guns and protect the students who aren’t under the safety of guns in classrooms?
 

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The BBC headline about the walkout is "We're voting in 2020"

Fad? Seriously? You could call the 'mass school shooting' (3 or more deaths) an tragic anomaly in 1868, and then the 1893 and 1898 as rare. The long break in mass shootings afterwards was probably the result of American families getting their fill of tragedy after WWI and WWII (save for one unfortunate event in 1940). 1966 marks the first year there were two mass shootings in the same year. Skipping ahead there were 3 mass shootings in the 70's, fortunately only one that qualifies in the 80's, but with 9 in the 90's the trend was alarmingly on the rise. The early 2000's saw 6, and there have been 9 mass shootings in the last 8 years of this decade. It's not a 'fad', it's an increasing trend. One where the average body count seems to get higher and higher.
The average teenager is over 100x more likely to die as a result of underage drinking than from a mass shooting at school, yet none of these kids are calling and protesting for increased restrictions on alcohol sales.

As others have said, there is lots of drama and hyperbole coming from many of the "leaders" in the schools, and the rest are simply going along with to fit in with the herd. My HS had walkouts to protest the second Iraq war, and thats exactly what was going on then, an excuse to get out of class while pretending to care about something.
 

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yet none of these kids are calling and protesting for increased restrictions on alcohol sales.
Cos it is already illegal for them to drink?
Or maybe cos alcohol rarely kills a dozen or so innocent bystanders (except driving drunk into a crowd)?

They are also more likely to die of natural causes but that does in no way make "more guns" a good idea.
 
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Yes, because I don’t care what hyperbolic complaints you want to throw out regarding Hillary, she was qualified and capable of doing the job of president, unlike the clown who won. The “adults” who put Trump in office committed the biggest act of political malpractice in US history. If they had half the sense of these kids, they would be embarrassed about what they have done to this country.

As for taxes, I’ll just paraphrase something my teenage daughter said, when in coverage of the the tax bill, a commentator said that this was why Trump was elected: “Republicans couldn’t find a candidate who wasn’t an idiot and didn’t abuse women to do this?”
Oh Hillary is qualified to be yet another "same old crap" politician which is exactly what many people didn’t want. Do we even have to get into her extremely shady Clinton foundation which is a money laundering operation? Or the fact that she helped get uranium to enemies of the US? Or the fact that her and her husband had Vince Foster murdered? Or the email deletion scandal? She’s the biggest scam and crook in Washington which is saying a LOT since the place is loaded with criminals and do nothings. Trump is a clown in many ways too. I get it. But at least he’s trying some stuff to make changes.

Hey, if that’s the kind of people these kids decide to worship....whatever. Have fun with that. The indoctrinating is working well, I see. Public schools are supposed to be neutral but it’s very clear that the public school system is a wholly owned subsidiary of the extreme left wing party. Terrific.
 

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Or the fact that she helped get uranium to enemies of the US?
She did not (but I guess you also believe Obama gave billions to Iran.....)

Trump is a clown in many ways too
Trump has proven to be all the same and more, which should have been quite obvious from the start.

But the core problem of US politics remain the same.

You voted only to get Hillary out (or better not letting her in)

Those kids vow to vote to get Trump out.


Neither has a vision of what they actually want or the guts to pull themselves behind a candidate that they could actually support (because that be throwing away a vote needed to get/keep the other guy out).