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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by jkcerda, Jul 20, 2019.
. Liberal hypocrisy
Everyone is a racist and a victim!
Another great find by jkcerta, exposing hypocrisy at it’s finest. What the hell are these students being taught? Certainly not critical thinking skills.
There are some that would claim that making a statement against open immigration would be racist. These same people would claim that Obama could never be a racist because of the color of his skin or where he was born.
Confirmation bias at work. TBHT, he sets up the quote by referencing the current WH policy.
This is similar to a HS valedictorian that quoted President Obama but said it was 45. "The crowd went wild," giving the quote loud applause. Then he informed them that the quote was actually from Pres. Obama. Then they went totally silent, someone booed.
Far more interesting than the answers would be how many did he have to interview to get the amount needed for that video.
Meh. I've seen plenty of videos of the reverse.
Great find? Hypocrisy? Not really. This one was pretty easy to debunk.
The first warning flag is the name Campus Reform. Reform what? Open-mindedness? Independent thinking? Guess they want to put a stop to that.
The second is the guy's name. If I wanted to come up with a fictional privileged asshat, I'd probably invent some name like Cabot Phillips. I mean Cabot? Really? Okay, I know nothing about the guy, but it wouldn't surprise me if his mummy and daddy thought up that name whilst playing water polo at their mansion in Westport, Connecticut.
But the clincher is the limited context of that Obama quote -- the way it makes it sound like it completely equates undocumented immigrants with threats to our security.
Let's go to a fuller quote for context, shall we?
For more than 200 years, our tradition of welcoming immigrants from around the world has given us a tremendous advantage over other nations. It’s kept us youthful, dynamic, and entrepreneurial. It has shaped our character as a people with limitless possibilities –- people not trapped by our past, but able to remake ourselves as we choose.
But today, our immigration system is broken -- and everybody knows it.
Families who enter our country the right way and play by the rules watch others flout the rules. Business owners who offer their workers good wages and benefits see the competition exploit undocumented immigrants by paying them far less. All of us take offense to anyone who reaps the rewards of living in America without taking on the responsibilities of living in America. And undocumented immigrants who desperately want to embrace those responsibilities see little option but to remain in the shadows, or risk their families being torn apart.
It’s been this way for decades. And for decades, we haven’t done much about it.
When I took office, I committed to fixing this broken immigration system. And I began by doing what I could to secure our borders. Today, we have more agents and technology deployed to secure our southern border than at any time in our history. And over the past six years, illegal border crossings have been cut by more than half. Although this summer, there was a brief spike in unaccompanied children being apprehended at our border, the number of such children is now actually lower than it’s been in nearly two years. Overall, the number of people trying to cross our border illegally is at its lowest level since the 1970s. Those are the facts.
Meanwhile, I worked with Congress on a comprehensive fix, and last year, 68 Democrats, Republicans, and independents came together to pass a bipartisan bill in the Senate. It wasn’t perfect. It was a compromise. But it reflected common sense. It would have doubled the number of border patrol agents while giving undocumented immigrants a pathway to citizenship if they paid a fine, started paying their taxes, and went to the back of the line. And independent experts said that it would help grow our economy and shrink our deficits.
Had the House of Representatives allowed that kind of bill a simple yes-or-no vote, it would have passed with support from both parties, and today it would be the law. But for a year and a half now, Republican leaders in the House have refused to allow that simple vote.
Now, I continue to believe that the best way to solve this problem is by working together to pass that kind of common sense law. But until that happens, there are actions I have the legal authority to take as President –- the same kinds of actions taken by Democratic and Republican presidents before me -– that will help make our immigration system more fair and more just.
Tonight, I am announcing those actions.
First, we’ll build on our progress at the border with additional resources for our law enforcement personnel so that they can stem the flow of illegal crossings, and speed the return of those who do cross over.
Second, I’ll make it easier and faster for high-skilled immigrants, graduates, and entrepreneurs to stay and contribute to our economy, as so many business leaders have proposed.
Third, we’ll take steps to deal responsibly with the millions of undocumented immigrants who already live in our country.
I want to say more about this third issue, because it generates the most passion and controversy. Even as we are a nation of immigrants, we’re also a nation of laws. Undocumented workers broke our immigration laws, and I believe that they must be held accountable -– especially those who may be dangerous. That’s why, over the past six years, deportations of criminals are up 80 percent. And that’s why we’re going to keep focusing enforcement resources on actual threats to our security. Felons, not families. Criminals, not children. Gang members, not a mom who’s working hard to provide for her kids. We’ll prioritize, just like law enforcement does every day.
But even as we focus on deporting criminals, the fact is, millions of immigrants in every state, of every race and nationality still live here illegally. And let’s be honest -– tracking down, rounding up, and deporting millions of people isn’t realistic. Anyone who suggests otherwise isn’t being straight with you. It’s also not who we are as Americans. After all, most of these immigrants have been here a long time. They work hard, often in tough, low-paying jobs. They support their families. They worship at our churches. Many of their kids are American-born or spent most of their lives here, and their hopes, dreams, and patriotism are just like ours. As my predecessor, President Bush, once put it: “They are a part of American life.”
Now here’s the thing: We expect people who live in this country to play by the rules. We expect that those who cut the line will not be unfairly rewarded. So we’re going to offer the following deal: If you’ve been in America for more than five years; if you have children who are American citizens or legal residents; if you register, pass a criminal background check, and you’re willing to pay your fair share of taxes -- you’ll be able to apply to stay in this country temporarily without fear of deportation. You can come out of the shadows and get right with the law. That’s what this deal is.
Now, let’s be clear about what it isn’t. This deal does not apply to anyone who has come to this country recently. It does not apply to anyone who might come to America illegally in the future. It does not grant citizenship, or the right to stay here permanently, or offer the same benefits that citizens receive -– only Congress can do that. All we’re saying is we’re not going to deport you.
I know some of the critics of this action call it amnesty. Well, it’s not. Amnesty is the immigration system we have today -– millions of people who live here without paying their taxes or playing by the rules while politicians use the issue to scare people and whip up votes at election time.
That’s the real amnesty –- leaving this broken system the way it is. Mass amnesty would be unfair. Mass deportation would be both impossible and contrary to our character. What I’m describing is accountability –- a common-sense, middle-ground approach: If you meet the criteria, you can come out of the shadows and get right with the law. If you’re a criminal, you’ll be deported. If you plan to enter the U.S. illegally, your chances of getting caught and sent back just went up.
The actions I’m taking are not only lawful, they’re the kinds of actions taken by every single Republican President and every single Democratic President for the past half century. And to those members of Congress who question my authority to make our immigration system work better, or question the wisdom of me acting where Congress has failed, I have one answer: Pass a bill.
Full remarks here.
So basically what we have here is another failed attempted gotcha by another conservative blogger. Glad to learn of this, though, so I can report it to Snopes and Fact Check.
Dude, dude, dude, you and your Obama fixation. My counter is that the statement was attributed to Trump, before asking the question, you know, the Head Maniac? These people are drawing on their knowledge and valid dislike of Supreme Leader to comment on a statement now attributed to Him. The psychology is that his infamy, policies, continuous lying, and actual racist statements he has made poisons his (attributed) words, even if they are reasonable words. Further, it’s not just what he says it’s what he does (although most of what he says are big fat lies. ) Understand?
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The local Trump Defense league always on the job.
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Is it really surprising? Children in cages, even photos being shown end up being taken during the Obama years. At least Obama was tougher on immigration than previously thought.
These are the results of 2+ years of MSM TDS.
The reactions when they see it’s Obama are priceless.
These kids probably think Trump is losing by 10 points to Biden too.
Hey, it took a while to look that up, and then forward it to Snopes and Fact Check, but it was worth it.
I found that Facebook depends in part on Fact Check to discern what is actually disinformation. I'm not on FB, but I hope that they already flag Campus Reform, and if they don't, I hope they'll at least flag this particular video.
And while visiting Snopes I found that they have a GoFundMe set up to help deal with some sort of legal business conflict which is threatening them. I'm passing that on, in case you want to contribute too. Snopes so far seems to be prevailing, but the battle is ongoing.
Oh, and those who are still buying this video may want to scroll up and read Obama's actual words.
No, I don't think you noted anything in what I said, because to do so would undermine your premise.
Just because Obama said that, it does not mean Trump is not a racist. One thing does not invalidate the other. The video is the pure definition of deflection. By the way, Huntn is correct. The statement was attributed to Trump. I would also add that the makers of this video most probably selectively chose people / segments they recorded to pass this message.
I showed the quote to all my friends here in the room and they immediately said this was not Trump as soon as they heard "undocumented immigrants". You know why? Because Trump is a known racist and would rather use pejorative terms such as "illegal aliens".
Campus Reform (infamous for its "Professor Watchlist" targeting educators perceived as too progressive and for carrying water for White Nationalists/nazis) is an ultra right-wing outfit created by the Leadership Institute. The latter has been a Koch-funded Republican incubator for hate, intolerance and lies since the 70s. Its stated mission is to "increase the number and effectiveness of conservative activists" and to "identify, train, recruit and place conservatives in politics, government, and media."
Oh, so now it’s racist to use the legal term “illegal alien,” which appears in federal statutes? There’s just no pleasing the lefties up in here.
"Gotcha" is the lowest form of journalism.
I get a kick when they use the term undocumented to describe illegal criminal aliens.. It's cute..
First, so what? There’s a whole academic field about racism in law. Up until 2016 Federal statutes still included not-so-racist terms such as “negro”.
Second, according to politifact: “The term appears--yet scarcely--in federal law. Best we can tell, though, no law defines the term as referring to all individuals living in the U.S. without legal authorization. Where the term does appear, it’s undefined or part of an introductory title or limited to apply to certain individuals convicted of felonies.”
Trump uses the term frequently (not scarcely), consistently (not in introductory titles), and indiscriminately (applies it to everyone including individuals that committed no felony).
Third, semantics. Illegal immigrants is fine. Illegal aliens, on the other hand, evokes an unfamiliar and disturbing connection to the subjects in question.
Wow, thanks for the pertinent info!
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Don’t project. No one said the term was racist in itself.
As the article you cited confirms, the term “illegal alien” does appear in federal statutes and I believe has been used in SCOTUS rulings. Can you provide a source showing the term “illegal immigrants” has similarly been used in federal statutes?
Hell half those kids probably think Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her front porch.
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Maybe to you and me, but there are some others that will call you every racist and xenophobic name in the book for using that term.
Cute. And Trump followers still seem to believe his over 10,000 lies since taking office. Talk about gullible!
You mean the clowns that still "investigate" stuff the Babylon B, the satire site, publishes. LOL.
Funny story about Snope and a reason my M-I-L doesn't really like me. She used to resend all those stupid emails will completely wrong facts to her entire address book. I would Snopes them and send it back - to her entire distribution list. I guess she got tired of being called out for being an idiot. LOL