Study Rules Out Global Warming Being a Natural Fluctuation With 99% Certainty

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  1. lannister80 macrumors 6502

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    http://www.mcgill.ca/research/channels/news/global-warming-just-giant-natural-fluctuation-235236

    http://www.physics.mcgill.ca/~gang/...neweprint/Anthro.climate.dynamics.13.3.14.pdf

     
  2. sviato macrumors 68020

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    I'm not opposed to the findings, however, is 500 years enough for full temperature cycles?
     
  3. lannister80 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    No it's not, but I don't think that matters in this study:

     
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    Isn't it "climate change" instead of "global warming"?
     
  5. lannister80 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    It's the same thing. Just two different names.

    The globe will warm ON AVERAGE, but it won't be warmer in all places.
     
  6. Technarchy macrumors 603

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    It's 43 degrees in Chicago today. What do you think it should be outside?
     
  7. lannister80 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Come on, you know very well weather != climate.

    One can flip a coin 3 times in a row, and you have a 25% of it being the same value all 3 times. That must mean the coin is weighted! It "should" have been some other value other than 3 in a row!

    Now try it 1000 times. Or a million.

    It's all about averages and trends.
     
  8. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    This study won't matter a damn to those people who already know what they know. The books are cooked. Scientists are (somehow) making money off it. We're too puny to affect the environment. And God said he'd never destroy us again.

    How many times do they have to explain that to you?

    [​IMG]
     
  9. vega07 macrumors 65816

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    Wow, you ask the same exact question in several past threads. I'd recommend you re-read our answers...and unstick your head in the sand.
     
  10. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    I think his point is that without global warming, the temperature in Chicago would have been 41º today.
     
  11. Technarchy macrumors 603

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    Kind of odd that so called global warming can't have a real scientific control if all weather conditions = global warming.

    Cold = global warming
    Hot = global warming
    Snows = global warming
    Drought = global warming

    All outcomes = a preconceived idea.

    So...the easiest control is "what should the weather be outside" if you think it's off.
     
  12. citizenzen, Apr 14, 2014
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    Actually, I just checked Chicago's weather for the last week. Here were the daily highs ...

    04/07 — 55º
    04/08 — 57º
    04/09 — 63º
    04/10 — 64º
    04/11 — 70º
    04/12 — 80º
    04/13 — 72º
    04/14 — 64º <-- Today's high was 21 degrees warmer than Technarchy's reported 43º

    Yes, tonight and the next few days will be colder than that.

    That's what happens when a storm comes down from the north.

    The weather tends to get colder.
     
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    Thankfully science and other governments are leaving the ... "doubters" behind and working to try and delay the really bad consequences.
     
  14. vega07 macrumors 65816

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    The majority of us here are not talking about "all weather conditions" or any certain weather condition. We're talking about averages throughout time. So please, if you can't contribute to this line of conversation, refrain from the detractors.
     
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    When has the planet ever had a static climate or overall temperature?
     
  16. vega07 macrumors 65816

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    What is the reason for this question, beside to further my point?

    Earth has never had static climate; thus, the significance of averages.
     
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    What's the acceptable level of variance to suggest abnormal activity if static was never an option?
     
  18. vega07 macrumors 65816

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    I don't know. You don't know. We are not experts in the field. We, therefore, need to rely on those who are experts...and 97% of them agree that climate change (or whatever you want to call it) exists, and that is largely caused by man.

    Have you not read the evidence, seen the graphs?

    I'm actually baffled by your questions TBH. They lack any respect for the scientific process. They assume some sort of arrogance, as if your theories/questions (and in my humble opinion ridiculous detractors) somehow trump the consensus among climate experts and to the decades of work they have dedicated their lives.
     
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    I asked the question so obviously I don't know.

    If you don't know you should be asking these questions too
     
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    I have asked my own questions...so I sought out the evidence. And the evidence seems pretty damn unquestionable to me.

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    What is it about the current evidence that makes you question climate change?
     
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    God never said we would not destroy ourselves...
     
  22. Technarchy macrumors 603

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    Study Rules Out Global Warming Being a Natural Fluctuation With 99% Certainty


    Conclusions obtained without a control would be dismissed according to the scientific method.

    Scientists generally base scientific hypotheses on previous observations that cannot satisfactorily be explained with the available scientific theories.

    What are the eliminated variables? The acceptable deviations? With the earth not having a static atmosphere how is it possible this variable can be completely eliminated given our limited historical data?

    If we are talking average what are most weighted variables?

    I look forward to having these questions answered so that I may join Al Gore's inconvenient truthers.
     
  23. jnpy!$4g3cwk macrumors 65816

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    You seem to be in an argumentative mood. ;)

    OK, here is a definition:

    Now, are you telling me that "climate" actually does not exist? For an average not to exist, certain statistical conditions have to apply. Do they in this case? So you dislike the whole idea of "average"?

    Edward Abbey, the writer, liked to look at such challenges "superficially":

    So, how far are you willing to go with this? Suppose I have a coin that is heads 55% of the time and tails 45%-- it is possible that you could still get tails 20 times in a row, right? How about we play a little game? We'll see whether or not averages exist. Reminds me of the Mark Twain story about whether poker was a game of chance or a science. ;)
     
  24. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    I doubt it. You'll just make up new ones.
     
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    Don't bother with Techarchy in climate-related threads...
     

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