Super Surge on the Way?

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by miloblithe, Jul 16, 2007.

  1. miloblithe macrumors 68020

    miloblithe

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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070716/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_pace

    Just boggles the mind. Their use of the English language to absolutely obscure the meaning of what they are doing is so completely Orwellian it just blows my mind that anyone falls for this crap.
     
  2. SMM macrumors 65816

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    No plan we have is going to work. The reason is simple. The intended outcome is unachievable (for those who even know what that really is).

    The uninformed (the majority) American public really does not have a clue as to what our goals are in Iraq. Who can blame them.

    First it was to disable the WMD. Then it was to catch and neutralize SH. Somewhere about this time, people would start building moshing pits in the street. Iraqi women would shed their burkas and begin sporting the 'lingerie look'. Iraq would then realize what they have been missing for 4,500 years, and begin a holy crusade to enlighten the remaining Muslim world. America would be seen as the country which released them from their bondage. We would be seen as the second coming of Mohammed. In homage, they would give us their oil fields, knowing their Western benefactors will provide for their needs (including their new religion 'Southern Baptistism').

    The first part went great. The WMD were neutralized in the first second of the war. SH was captured (thank God for those playing cards) and later died of a self-inflicted hanging. The Iraqis are either dancing in the streets, or running for their lives.

    We are closing in on 4,000 dead American young men and women.

    Over 50,000 Iraqis have died.

    So far, the war has cost $2,000,000,000,000.00. It has been paid for by borrowing. The annual debt service (interest) is $120,000,000,000.00.

    What in the hell are we trying to accomplish here? Do we honestly believe we are able to eradicate 4,500 years of history and culture? The problems (as we see them) go back centuries. There are no good guys and bad guys here. It is just 'these' guys. They have to solve their own problems. We need to get the hell out of the way.
     
  3. zimv20 macrumors 601

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    errrr.... saddam didn't hang himself, he was executed by hanging. regarding the neutralization of the WMD, i'd rephrase "in the first second of the war" to "in the first of the two gulf wars".
     
  4. SMM macrumors 65816

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    Neither was intended to be serious - SH was executed and there were no WMD.
     
  5. sanford macrumors 65816

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    Yeah, zimv20 is right on both counts. Saddam was executed after a trial and conviction -- no commentary here on the trial, just that there was a trial -- and they so happened to hang him. And Saddam's inventory of WMDs was eliminated in the first Persian Gulf war, and then elimination completed by UN inspection and enforcement thereafter. (I do think before the second Persian Gulf War Saddam may have had a couple cans of bug spray under his kitchen sink.)

    I don't know. What do we want there? I think our president wants to be sort of a liberator, like an FDR. Really more of a Truman than an FDR. Really more of neither, as he doesn't share the social policies but desires the role of liberator and benevolent reconstructor eventually attributed to Truman and to some degree his successor Eisenhower. That's a ridiculous goal in that region. It's not our business and it's not achievable. In order to disengage ourselves from the sectarian conflict and stabilize our own interests, we can leave en masse or we can bomb the country into a four-inch thick sheet of glass. Those are the choices.

    I think what our president's advisors -- perhaps some would call them his "handlers" -- want is a permanent government of our selection amenable to our each and every request, and they want them controlling a major country in the region. But, you know, we tried this with Chile and Pinochet; look how well that worked out.
     
  6. FFTT macrumors 68030

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    This place Iraq,
    is not going to make it on any best 10 vacation spots listing any time soon.
     
  7. zimv20 macrumors 601

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    never mind! :)
     

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