Superdrive in TiBooks?

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Mac-TV.de (translation) posted a questionable rumor regarding Superdrive in the TiBook by MacWorld NY.

The limiting factor for Superdrive availability in the TiBook is due to form-factor issues. The ComboDrive (DVD/CD-R) has only become available for the TiBook in the past year due to the same design constraints. Only Pioneer and Apple know when such a design will become available.

Related article: Sanyo's Super Combo Drive due in summer.
 

iGav

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Originally posted by verbose101
Please god let it be true! :D
I would love for when I come to get my 1Ghz TiBook for it to have a SuperDrive!
How cool would that be........ I'm just not really expecting a Superdrive in the TiBook for awhile yet though....... although as ever..... Apple can prove me wrong if they feel like it......

I can't wait to lay my hands on a 1Ghz TiBook though..... :D

Anyone know anybody who works for Pioneer??? :p
 

dekator

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Contents of article

The article more specifically states that the rumor is based on a "slip of tongue". An Apple support member apparently told a customer that the new TiBooks would come with Superdrives ("yes, you can burn DVDs with that"). According to the support person the entry-level model will remain at 667MHz but will also come with a Superdrive ! No combo...
Asked whether these new models would see light at MCNY in July, the Apple person bit his tongue and abruptly changed the subject.
Interestingly, the whole issue came up when the customer asked about "a certain replaceable part" ! An upgrade option ????

Well, anyway, it's hard to believe such information would leak out ...
More probably the support guy wasn't well trained (as happens too often).
Still, would be nice... sniff
 

nerickson

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Instant Sale

If this comes true at MWNY, Apple will have an instant sale of a top of the line PowerBook from me. My original PBG4 500 is getting really old (gee, a whole year). It is a great computer but FCP would be a heckuva lot better on a 1ghz PBG4 with a Superdrive!

Whether it is next month or Jan. I hope the price doesn't go up.

.... how stupid of a statement was that? duh
 

drastik

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oh yeah, you'll see a price bump.

But still, the older machines, even the 800s will come down. Everybody wants top of the line, but if this "upgrade" bit about the superdrive is a possibility, I might go down a model and do that.

We've bee hearing a lot about surprises at MWNY, maybe this is a big clue. Maybe the whole line is going to super drive, maybe they can make for like twenty bucks now, and the'll just pop in everything.:D
 

Blackcat

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Re: Contents of article

Originally posted by dekator
The article more specifically states that the rumor is based on a "slip of tongue". An Apple support member apparently told a customer that the new TiBooks would come with Superdrives ("yes, you can burn DVDs with that"). According to the support person the entry-level model will remain at 667MHz but will also come with a Superdrive ! No combo...
*if* that's true then we're seeing an all new TiBook with MPEG2 encoding hardware built in, as a 667 isn't powerful enough to encode a DVD.

Apple bought Raycer for a reason...
 

britboy

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Originally posted by drastik

Maybe the whole line is going to super drive, maybe they can make for like twenty bucks now, and the'll just pop in everything.:D

Not likely, considering that the dvr-104 (the current top-line superdrive) costs $429.
 

britboy

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Re: Re: Contents of article

Originally posted by Blackcat

.....a 667 isn't powerful enough to encode a DVD.

But a 733 was? Even a 500 could be used for encoding a DVD. It would take a bit longer, but still get there in the end.
 

iH8Quark

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not to be a pessimist, but support people have no more info than you and I have. I would like to believe this, but it seems extremely unlikely that he knows what he's talking about.

even so, I don't think it would be a standard feature of the low end model. It's not even standard in the towers. IMHO, of course.
 

iGav

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Re: Re: Re: Contents of article

Originally posted by britboy



But a 733 was? Even a 500 could be used for encoding a DVD. It would take a bit longer, but still get there in the end.
I've not had a problem encoding MPEG 2 on my TiBook 500....... nor have I had problems developing DVD's either.......
 

bretm

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Re: Re: Contents of article

Originally posted by Blackcat


*if* that's true then we're seeing an all new TiBook with MPEG2 encoding hardware built in, as a 667 isn't powerful enough to encode a DVD.

Apple bought Raycer for a reason...
Funny, I burn DVDs on my G4 350 all the time. I had no idea it wasn't possible. I'll stop right away.

Wish someone had told me a quadra was too slow for video editing all those years ago as well.:)
 

edesignuk

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Re: Re: Re: Contents of article

Originally posted by bretm


Funny, I burn DVDs on my G4 350 all the time. I had no idea it wasn't possible. I'll stop right away.

Wish someone had told me a quadra was too slow for video editing all those years ago as well.:)
He didn't say burning DVD's, he said encoding DVD's, the two things are both very different.
 

ewinemiller

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Originally posted by britboy



Not likely, considering that the dvr-104 (the current top-line superdrive) costs $429.
Might be a little more likely than you think. Pricegrabber is listing the lowest price as $275 and that's for us retail folks. Wholesale to a large customer like Apple is probably quite a bit cheaper.
 

kiwi_the_iwik

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Well - if this line of discussion has a hint of reality about these new drives, then my little Cube will be able to muscle with the best of them (as long as they've ironed out the bugs regarding the drive platten being at right-angles).

Imagine a Cube with the new slot-loading Superdrive, bundled with 1.5Gb of ram, a 120Gb hard drive, and one of Powerlogix's new 1Gb upgrade chips (and possibly, in the future, a new Dual-Gig. processor, if the temperature can be kept low enough with the new G4 chip design)...

Hard to beat, you'd have to admit.:)
 

eyelikeart

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I figured it would only be a matter of time before we started seeing superdrives in the Ti. I'm wondering how much more we'll have to pay to see them though. Next year I'll be in the market to replace my Rev. A...so I'll be in line waiting for mine... ;)
 

Rajj

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With technology these days...... anything is possible!!!:confused: Besides Toshiba has 1.8 inch HDD, this is the wave of the future!!!
I hope it is not as slow as the current ones!!!
 

Blackcat

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Contents of article

Originally posted by verbose101

He didn't say burning DVD's, he said encoding DVD's, the two things are both very different.
Exactly. You can burn a DVD on a Powerbook 1400 if you have the MPEG2 file on your HD, but downloading from DV, editing and encoding requires a G4 733 minimum according to Apple, and that was for 60 minutes of video in 2 hours. Dual 800s were billed as doing 90 minutes at 1:1 encode:burn ratio in 90 minutes.

Things might be different now, with iDVD allowing faster encoding, but before they were definately saying 733 minimum.

I hope I'm wrong, as I can afford a Ti667 but not a Ti800 :)
 

iGav

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Contents of article

Originally posted by Blackcat


Exactly. You can burn a DVD on a Powerbook 1400 if you have the MPEG2 file on your HD, but downloading from DV, editing and encoding requires a G4 733 minimum according to Apple, and that was for 60 minutes of video in 2 hours. Dual 800s were billed as doing 90 minutes at 1:1 encode:burn ratio in 90 minutes.

Things might be different now, with iDVD allowing faster encoding, but before they were definately saying 733 minimum.

I hope I'm wrong, as I can afford a Ti667 but not a Ti800 :)
You are indeed wrong Sir......... a TiBook 667 will do MPEG 2 video just fine.... the minimum specs for DVD Studio Pro state that you need a G4 processor....... a G3 would struggle, although with Cleaner it is possible to encode in MPEG 2 but obviously this will take longer....... DVD authoring was happening way before G4's and DVD Studio Pro were released so it is possible without a G4......

Capturing and cutting DV on a TiBook 500 is a piece of p*ss if you have the memory, HD space, and fast enough drives....... encoding it as MPEG 2 is what takes the time....... the only difference between a 773 and a 500 G4 is that the 733 obviously will be faster..........
 

Blackcat

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Contents of article

Originally posted by iGAV


You are indeed wrong Sir......... a TiBook 667 will do MPEG 2 video just fine.... the minimum specs for DVD Studio Pro state that you need a G4 processor....... a G3 would struggle, although with Cleaner it is possible to encode in MPEG 2 but obviously this will take longer....... DVD authoring was happening way before G4's and DVD Studio Pro were released so it is possible without a G4......
Probably not much before G4s, and on much more expensive hardware I'd imagine.

It's a shame we can't do multilayer burning currently, that would be very cool but would upset the MPAA a lot I'd guess.

Capturing and cutting DV on a TiBook 500 is a piece of p*ss if you have the memory, HD space, and fast enough drives....... encoding it as MPEG 2 is what takes the time....... the only difference between a 773 and a 500 G4 is that the 733 obviously will be faster..........
So the 667 with it's L3 should be roughly the same as a 733 (or a bit slower). Groovy.

I want one.
 

iGav

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Contents of article

Originally posted by Blackcat


Probably not much before G4s, and on much more expensive hardware I'd imagine.

It's a shame we can't do multilayer burning currently, that would be very cool but would upset the MPAA a lot I'd guess.



So the 667 with it's L3 should be roughly the same as a 733 (or a bit slower). Groovy.

I want one.


G3's back in the late 90's..... you have to remember at the time the G3 was as fast as they come...... so you don't consider that it could be done faster....... for developing and authoring I used to use Sonic DVD creator... at the time it was fairly expensive... but again it's relative...... at the time it was pretty much the best DVD solution available....... so you'd pay the money..... it was the same though with editing systems with the likes of Avid charging tens of thousands, then Media 100 doing it for thousands..... and now Final Cut Pro coming in at a grand....... and IMHO is better than both Avid and Media 100 now.......

Multi-layered DVD's have never been a problem, as I always use disk mastering facilities.........

The 667 is a fast machine..... and is more than capable of doing DV cutting, post work, encoding, dvd authoring etc....... so no worries about that..... interms of RAW speed..... I'd say it's probably on a par with a 733......

What are you wanting to do exactly anyway???