Surprise! Surprise! Trump blocks sanctions against Russia

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  1. JayMysterio macrumors 6502

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    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/4/16/17242484/nikki-haley-trump-russia-sanctions-syria
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ifts-course-on-russia/?utm_term=.34ed8909d4ae
     
  2. GermanSuplex macrumors 6502a

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    “What’s wrong with getting along?” seems the canned response these days. Trump really leaves his own team out to dry. Even when he has ok people in the job, he renders them useless. Then again, they had to know who they were going to work for.
     
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    Give me a break, Trump just did a strike in Syria which Putin warned against. Trump has been tougher against Russia than Obama ever hoped to be, ****ing reset button.

    Obama was so weak that Russia annexed Crimea and you guys are worried about an additional sanction after a missile strike.
     
  5. Gutwrench Contributor

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    If this was a missile strike for sanctions deal then I think I’m fine with it.
     
  6. GermanSuplex macrumors 6502a

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    What has changed in Syria? Zilch.

    Also, maybe they shouldn’t trot their U.N. Ambassador out only to dump on what she said the next day. Really shows the ineptitude of the White House. You belive them when they say and do something, and you belive them when they lie/misspeak/mis-Tweet, etc

    These strikes are for show. Which I’m fine with, but Russia needs sanctions imposed. Money talks.
     
  7. alex2792, Apr 17, 2018
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    Problem is, sanctions against Russia have NOT worked. If anything, they served to make Putin more popular and Russian people more defiant.
     
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    Not disagreeing, but firework shows aren’t doing anything either, and the idea that Trump is tough on Russia is as laughable as it is false.
     
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    It wasn’t. This was simply all about Trump being Trump and insisting he gets his way.

    The missiles were little more then a publicity stunt. Do you think they actually had any impact against Russia?

    The sanctions on the other hand would have an impact, so yes, a bit worried that they are not going through. TBH, I'm way more concerned with the fact that Trump continues to override the advice of his top aids at a whim. That's the actions of a South American drug lord, not a president of the USA.
     
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    Well, truth is, there’s nothing we can do that would effectively curtail Putin without starting WW3. You can only be so “tough” against a nuclear power that can wipe the US off the map. It’s a little different situation than Cuba or North Korea.
     
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    I'd be happy to hear about any explanations which could possibly make any more sense.
     
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    A strike that was not against Russia and had no impact on Russia. And the strike a year ago was almost totally ineffectual as the airport was reopened several hours afterward. Trump has failed to fully acknowledge Russian election interference and has not ordered any steps to prevent more of it later this year, and he has shown more deference to Putin than to the leaders of our closest allies. One is justified in asking why. Is it the result of a deep analysis of global politics and an attempt to realign our strategic alliances to better position the U.S. in the 21st century......oh wait, this is Trump we're talking about. It's probably just the pee pee tape.
     
  13. VulchR macrumors 68020

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    Sanctions have been applied only at a very low level. They haven't yet targeted Putin's inner circle. The pressure on Russia is being slowly ratcheted up, which is a reasonable way to go. And frankly, the Russian people do not directly determine the actions of russia's government. Putin and the oligarchs do.
     
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    No comment on Obama allowing Russia to take Crimea? Soft?
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    Building were reduced to rubble in Syria. Russia is pissed.
     
  15. JayMysterio thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Allow?

    How did you propose Obama to stop the annexation.

    After all, this guy claimed Russia would be giving Crimea back.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ack-obama-crimea-claims-twitter-a7616001.html

    Leave it to 45 and he's get around to declaring “You have people who are very fine people on both sides.”, and that would be it.
     
  16. alex2792 macrumors 6502a

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    Additional sanctions can lead to escalation resulting in a military conflict that will quickly go nuclear. Unlike Cuba, Russia actually has a real military and enough nuclear weapons to make US and Europe uninhabitable for the next century.
     
  17. VulchR macrumors 68020

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    The point of sanctions is to change the behaviour of Putin and his oligarch's. I am spit-balling here, but I assume they'd be more willing to tone down their aggression than to launch Armageddon.

    I would be overjoyed if Russia started acting like a responsible nation, but Putin's version of 'Make Russia Great Again' seems to be at the expense of people in other countries. Even Trump is appalled that Putin supports Assad. Think about it.
     
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    Actually, supporting Assad is the logical thing to do. Middle East will never be a liberal democracy as long as Islam has a stranglehold on the region. So, our choices boil down to a secular dictator, like Saddam, Assad or Gaddaffi or Islamic loonies spreading terrorism across the globe. Under these circumstances, the choice is pretty clear to any rational individual. Just look at places that received an injection of “freedom and democracy” via our military, they’re far worse off than before.
     
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    The people there have the right to judge that.
     
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    If you think Assad launched chemical weapons and didn’t expect retaliation, well, this will happen again. This is not being “tough on Russia”. Maybe they are pissed; maybe that’s why Trump decided not to go through with the sanctions... he’s balancing a lot of plates right now
     
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    Russia and Syria are two different countries. Bombing Syria was because of actions the Syrian regime took. Not anything Russia did.

    If we sanction Russia, it will not affect Syria.

    We need to move forward with sanctions.
     
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    Obama hit where it hurts the most: personal economic sanctions (which were discussed by Trump's son with one of the Kremlin's lawyer ahead of the election (as he has admitted himself). So much so that Russia decided to interfere in the elections because Clinton would have kept the same policies. Now they have a friendly POTUS who's only limited in his "friendliness" by the law and the press.
    Trump is all talk, and spending a few hundred million of your money in destroying equipment in bombing a different country.
     
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    Putin controls the Russian media and routinely anyone coming close to presenting a threat to his rule gets mysteriously taken out. It’s not that he’s popular, he’s the only choice Russians are allowed to have.

    As for Trump and his obvious and clear connections to Putin and the oligarchs who surround the Kremlin, well you know my thoughts. The orange one needs to be removed from office ASAP.
     
  25. alex2792 macrumors 6502a

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    Uh, WRONG, you have no clue what you’re talking about. He’s actually overwhelmingly popular, far more so than any US president. I actually know people who have worked and lived in Russia. Stop reading CNN and New York Times.
     

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