Taliban says something reasonable about Afghanistan

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  1. blackfox Suspended


    Feb 18, 2003
  2. vertical smile, Feb 15, 2018
    Last edited: Feb 15, 2018

    vertical smile macrumors 68040

    vertical smile

    Sep 23, 2014
    The Taliban brought death, corruption, and drugs to Afghanistan long before NATO forces were there.

    Also, don't confuse the Taliban with the general population there. The Taliban is a tiny amount of the population, and most Afghans hate them.

    Many of them, especially women, fear what will happen if NATO and the US leaves.
  3. bandrews macrumors 6502a

    Jul 18, 2008
    Damned if you do. F***ed if you don't. We either pull out completely and turn a blind eye or keep slogging away with little to no reward. There are no winners.
  4. ActionableMango macrumors G3


    Sep 21, 2010
    If the Taliban, who are currently in middle of a wave of bombings and attacks against civilians, want misery and death to stop, perhaps they could... you know, stop.
  5. lowendlinux Contributor


    Sep 24, 2014
    North Country (way upstate NY)
    OTOH That country has only known oppression or war for the last 40 years, that's two generation that have only known a fight.
  6. darksithpro macrumors 6502a

    Oct 27, 2016
    Wasn't the Taliban previously called the Mujaheddin? The ones USA trained to fight against Soviet Afghan invasion in the 1970's?
  7. Mac'nCheese Suspended


    Feb 9, 2010
    Not really. I had to look it up:

    Many Muslims from other countries assisted the various mujahideen groups in Afghanistan. Some groups of these veterans became significant players in later conflicts in and around the Muslim world. Osama bin Laden, originally from a wealthy family in Saudi Arabia, was a prominent organizer and financier of an all-Arab Islamist group of foreign volunteers; his Maktab al-Khadamat funnelled money, arms, and Muslim fighters from around the Muslim world into Afghanistan, with the assistance and support of the Saudi and Pakistani governments.[12] These foreign fighters became known as "Afghan Arabs" and their efforts were coordinated by Abdullah Yusuf Azzam.

    The areas where the different mujahideen forces operated in 1985
    Mujahideen forces caused serious casualties to the Soviet forces, and made the war very costly for the Soviet Union. In 1989 the Soviet Union withdrew its forces from Afghanistan. Many districts and cities then fell to the mujahideen; in 1992 the DRA's last president, Mohammad Najibullah, was overthrown.

    However, the mujahideen did not establish a united government, and many of the larger mujahideen groups began to fight each other over power in Kabul. After several years of devastating fighting, a village mullah named Mohammed Omar organized a new armed movement with the backing of Pakistan. This movement became known as the Taliban("students" in Pashto), referring to how most Taliban had grown up in refugee camps in Pakistan during the 1980s and were taught in the Saudi-backed Wahhabi madrassas, religious schools known for teaching a fundamentalist interpretation of Islam. Veteran mujahideen confronted this radical splinter group in 1996."
  8. lowendlinux, Feb 16, 2018
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2018

    lowendlinux Contributor


    Sep 24, 2014
    North Country (way upstate NY)
    Mujahideen is the plural of Mujahid

    It's the struggle, generally it's a theological but it can mean a literal struggle. The struggle was, at that time, to keep the Russians out now it's to keep the Americans out. So in a way yes it's the new generation of the Mujahideen.
  9. hulugu macrumors 68000


    Aug 13, 2003
    quae tangit perit Trump

    It's important to understand that our current conflict began with the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979—there's more prologue going back to the "Great Game," or jockeying between Russian and British spies and ambassadors, but the 1979 invasion really sets the modern stage.

    During the war, small groups of mujahideen formed and began to fight the Soviets, sometimes with WWI-era rifles and sometimes by building their own weaponry. The U.S. got involved, and began using several groups, including one known as Al Qaeda to move money and supplies—including Stinger missiles—into Afghanistan. After a decade of war, and substantial casualties, the Soviets retreated, and the government they created, collapsed.

    Afghanistan was already a country with a weak central government that struggled with the hinterlands, so with the Soviets gone, various tribal elders and warlords began to maneuver for power, and the Taliban became one of the dominant groups.

    For the next several years, the Taliban and the United Islamic Front for the Salvation of Afghanistan, better known as the Northern Alliance, fought bitterly, until the Northern Alliance was forced to retreat to the north. (Al Qaeda used the Taliban zones of Afghanistan to plan attacks before UBL escaped to Pakistan.)

    While the western world recoiled in horror following the attacks on 9/11, the Northern Alliance had their own problems, when just two days earlier, their leader Ahmad Shah Massoud, known as the "Lion of Panjshir," was assassinated by the Taliban, with help from Pakistan's ISI.

    Nonetheless, the Northern Alliance fought back and they were the ones who fought on horseback with U.S. special forces in tow as part of Task Force Dagger.

    The point being, mujahideen should include both the Northern Alliance and the Taliban, as they were both fighters during the Soviet-Afghan War.


    As for this document, it's a classic bit of propaganda. The war is driven by the Taliban's continued bloodshed in Kabul, largely because they can't win in standup fights against U.S. forces.

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