Taxation is coercion

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  1. jnpy!$4g3cwk macrumors 65816

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    The right of the Federal Government to collect taxes is defined in the U.S. Constitution. The right was challenged during the Presidency of the first president, George Washington, who put down the Whiskey Rebellion, not only to collect the taxes, but, to assert the right of the Federal Government to do so.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion


    We may actually agree about something. In my observation, it works better for the government to just run a National Health Service. In the U.S., that would mean a "two-tier system", which some adore and others abhor.
     
  2. Rodimus Prime, Mar 4, 2012
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    I guess you do not like having a police force, or a fire department, roads to drive on, a mail system, a power grid, phone grid, hospitals or an education. Because guess what taxes covered all those or paid huge parts to building out the systems in place now.

    Wait you had to of had an education because you know how to read and write because clearly you can type and read these boards.

    Typical conservative. They want to take everything that taxes paid for but refuse to want to pay it back in.
     
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    1) I'm not a conservative by any stretch of the imagination. I prefer the democrats to them. Though I think both parties are pretty much intolerable.

    2) Just because taxes paid for something I use doesn't mean I agree that it's ok to take my money without me agreeing to it in order to do so.
     
  4. MorphingDragon macrumors 603

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    Thats completely NOT how democracy works.
     
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    Irrelevant
     
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    Yeah it's irrelevant because we're discussing how taxation is coercion. Just because the form of government we're in now works through taxation means it's right or even the best way to do things.
     
  7. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    What do you suggest instead?
     
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    *sigh*

    Rush's mean streak reminds me of one of those mean, bitchy, bratty high school/sorority girls.

    But way to draw the exact wrong conclusion.

    How are we to take you with any kind of credibility if you make statements like this?
     
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    I'm not making suggestions. Just an observation.

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    Well firstly, nobody on this forum has any credibility in anything. So that point is just silly.

    Secondly, your comment is borderline rude. If you want to debate the point, than do so.
     
  10. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    I didn't think anyone who calls taxation coercion would have anything to add to the conversation.
     
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    How can you debate a point when all you did was make an observation and completely avoid the question? That being said, there are people on here who regularly have insightful and interesting points. In addition, where a position or opinion is supported by facts and information, that tends to generate more support than a mere "observation."

    (edit) On a side note, tax policy can be used to coerce behavior, but taxation in general is merely the raising of revenue.
     
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    You could say taxation is simply paying your bills.
     
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    Well that's silly. Because it's easily to demonstrate.

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    Because I don't feel like debating alternatives to taxation.

    Ok?

    Taxation by definition is coercive.

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    Well, you could say taxation is you paying bills that somebody else charged for you.
     
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    What other kind of bills are there?
     
  16. MorphingDragon macrumors 603

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    If you live in a democratic country, how Democracy works is completely relevant.

     
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    What do you mean?

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    Well yeah because just saying "this is how it works" isn't an argument
     
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    Well what do you want, a Socialist government where there is no currency and resources are allocated based on work done.

    Because I'm totally down with that.
     
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    I don't understand your point.
     
  20. MorphingDragon macrumors 603

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    You say tax is theft and coercion, so would you rather a form of government where resources are only allocated by work done or need, and the government/people keeps the rest.

    eric/, totally blessed ruler material. :rolleyes:
     
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    It's been awhile since I've seen somebody set up a false dichotomy within a straw man so eloquently. Bravo.
     
  22. MorphingDragon macrumors 603

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    It just comes naturally.

    But really, do you even know what you're arguing? Because I'm just saying stuff to elicit a response. Mostly because others seem to be having difficulty figuring out what you are trying to say.
     
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    It's simple:

    Taxation is coercion.
     
  24. MorphingDragon macrumors 603

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    How is Taxation forcing someone to behave in a certain way?
     
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    I'm just listing this so we're on the same page with the definition of coercion:

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/coercion

    1.The act of coercing; use of force or intimidation to obtain compliance.
    2.force or the power to use force in gaining compliance, as by a government or police force.

    Do you have the choice to not pay taxes without repercussions?
     

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