Tea Party Threat?

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Val-kyrie, Apr 14, 2010.

  1. Val-kyrie macrumors 65816

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    The Tea Party seems to be gaining attention, and by the looks of it, it is having a larger impact than some would like. I smell political fear in the air. This may be seen in The Democrat & Chronicle, in which an article entitled "Tea Party wants to form a militia in Okla." was published in their Tues, Apr. 13, 2010, paper.

    I couldn't find a link to the article on the D&C website, but I would like to share two thoughts:

    (1) Many of the reports surrounding the Tea Party's support of militias are a bit sensationalized. In the D&C article, it is clearly stated that the Tea Party says "the [militia] unit would not resemble militia groups that have been raided for allegedly plotting attacks on law enforcement officers," but rather would be backed by the state. In my experience, few people realize the National Guard is not the same as the militia. Moreover, fewer people realize that some states (e.g., New York State), do have a state-supported militia. The militia in NYS is a voluntary, self-supported organization (i.e., they do not receive any state funding) and may be called upon by the governor at any time. I do not endorse a militia rebellion, but I think every state should have a militia for emergency situations within the state, and, God forbid, for protection of the state (including its sovereignty) should the need ever arise.

    (2) Political liberals apparently feel VERY threatened by the Tea Party. The D&C article states that "opponents of the fiscally conservative Tea Party movement say they plan to infiltrate and dismantle the political group by trying to make its members appear racist, homophobic, and moronic." Sean Murphy of the Associated Press, who wrote the article, continues, "Jason Levin, creator of www.crashtheteaparty.org, said Monday the group has 65 leaders across the country who are trying to recruit members to infiltrate Tea Party events for April 15--tax filing day, when Tea Party groups across the country are planning to gather and protest high taxes" (page 2A).
     
  2. Queso macrumors G4

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    And? Extremists get sensationalised by the media shock.

    Oh and that Crashtheteaparty thing is a work of complete idiots and ought to be shunned. The Tea Party members can embarrass themselves without help, so why give them the perfect excuse for their worst excesses? Every time someone at their rallies acts like a Neo-Nazi arsehole now they'll just blame Librools and say they've been infiltrated.

    Unless of course the crashtheteaparty.org thing is actually the work of the Tea Party themselves to create precisely that situation. Then I'd have to concede it's actually quite clever.
     
  3. IntheNet macrumors regular

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    By "some" I assume you mean incumbent Democrats?

    Oh and in reference to the subtle allegation of this thread... last evening Fox's Sean Hannity hosted a Tea Party/Marco Rubio rally at "The Villages" in Florida - a a famous retirement destination! So if Tea Parties scare incumbent Democrats then we can only say.... outstanding!

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  4. H00513R macrumors 6502a

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    The Tea Party will rattle some incumbents, but I think they are mostly harmless. They'll do themselves in by talking just like other radical left/right groups/talk show hosts. If Republicans think the TP or Palin is the answer though they are in trouble. I hope there is a right-wing candidate that is more current and in touch with today's issues. Religion won't change the government no matter how hard you pray. They better have a good platform. This is only my view and I'm an independent voter.
     
  5. Gelfin macrumors 68020

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    That's my bet. The Tea Party movement has never needed help looking racist, homophobic and moronic. Right from the start they have appeared as little else.

    Not only do they need the numbers too badly to turn away every slack-jawed bumpkin who turns up to protest how Obama is Kenyan Gay Muslim Commie Space Hitler, but the presence of these drooling morons, and the controversy they supply, both gets attention and provides a smokescreen for the fact that the "fiscal conservatism" they tout as their "true" purpose is facile and inchoate at best. They've got people who resent paying their taxes, but solutions for a functional and fiscally sound nation, not so much.

    They've tried the "it's liberals making us look bad" bit before. Nobody buys it. I don't fully rule out the possibility that this "crash" thing is a bunch of idiot college kids who actually think they're helping, but it's too convenient an alibi for exactly the problem the Tea Party movement needs solved, distancing themselves from idiots without giving up pandering to them for their continued support.
     
  6. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Oh please. How silly. They're quickly becoming irrelevant.
     
  7. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    I do like the idea of state militias. Thats about all I got out of the article.
     
  8. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    The Tea-Party is the Republican Party. They are just trying to rebrand to distance themselves from the image the Republicans have.

    Put 10 tea party members and 1 republican in a room. Can you pick out the republican?

    Put 10 republicans and 1 tea party member in a room. Can you pick out the tea party member?

    Put 10 republicans and 1 democrat in a room. Can you pick out the democrat?

    Put 10 democrats and 1 republican in a room. Can you pick out the republican?

    Put 10 democrats and 1 tea party member in a room. Can you pick out the tea party member?

    If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and opposes everything President Obama supports, then it is a Republican Quack.
     
  9. IntheNet macrumors regular

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    You'd be more correct if you said "The Tea-Party is the Conservative Party," and that the Tea Party Movement serves to keep Republicans tied to core conservative values. As Gallup reported just last week, the demographics of the Tea Party largely reflect America's citizenry — and more of America is joining the Tea Party!

    Speaking of which, the Boston Tea Party featured a great speaker this morning; who rightly called the Obama administration “all Alinsky all the time!”
     
  10. hamlinspahn macrumors regular

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    More Joining?

    Where in the poll at Gallup does it show or state that more of America is Joining the Tea Party? I appreciate and attempt to validate a Dumb A$$ remark with a link, but that link needs to support the Dumb A$$ remark.
     
  11. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    It really bothers you and all the other right-wingers to be called a Republican doesn't it? If you really are conservative, then how could you ever speak kindly of Reagan, Bush or Bush II? Three of the least fiscally conservative presidents we have EVER had.

    Alinsky seems to be the new "talking point" of the whackjobs. Do you even know anything about Saul Alinsky? I didn't, so I looked him up. He was, "one of the great American leaders of the nonsocialist left." He was widely considered by both the right and left as an amazing organizer.

    He was NOT a socialist. He was NOT a marxist. He was NOT anything. He never joined a group of any kind, even the ones he organized.

    Why can't you republicans talk about issues rather than calling people names or throwing around sensationalized generalizations? Do you not have any original ideas? I realize you used up most of them when you had control over the white house and congress, but come on, at least give rational thought and intellectual debate a try.

    I won't hold my breath.
     
  12. IntheNet macrumors regular

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    The Gallup link specifically referenced that the demographics of the Tea Party largely reflect America's citizenry (as I posted), and, in terms of the claim that more of America is joining the Tea Party, I am indebted to a Rasmussen’s survey, that shows that identification with the Tea Party has rapidly increased just in the past month:"The number of people who say they’re part of the Tea Party Movement nationally has grown to 24%. That’s up from 16% a month ago, but the movement still defies easy description."

    "Rules for Radicals: A Pragmatic Primer for Realistic Radicals." Author, Saul Alinsky.
     
  13. Rt&Dzine macrumors 6502a

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    I'm threatened by them because they are reactionaries who inspire hate and violence. Otherwise, they seem to be good for the liberals because they are polarizing the conservatives. How long will they last? I don't know but they'll fade away if the right wing gets back in power.
     
  14. hamlinspahn macrumors regular

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    Very good you offered proof, but even the Rasmussen poll doesn't ask the question have you join a tea party group? As you may or may not be aware the question asked by poll groups tend to support or are broad enough to reflect the result the person who pays for the poll would like to see and even a yes or no question tends to have 3 or more answers. So if you are going to quote a poll you need to know the exact question asked and answers provided, and Rasmussen should have stated the exact question asked and answers provided on the page you sited if they had you would realize it is was question of support for, not i've joined with several answers, you like most Republicans like to use words interchangeably when their meanings are not. Oh and when you decide to call someone out try to stick to the point Demographics was never part of what I said, But again Republicans like to go down roads not discussed to make their Dumb A$$ points especially when the facts aren't on their side. I also suspect if you truly believed Rasmussen's poll said what you are saying it did you would have also provided a link to it in you original post you obviously felt the Gallup Poll supported your statement 100%. And nothing short of posting the exact question asked will prove your point. Oh and the break down of the answers are pretty important in this case because they combined two answers to reach that 24%. And a link to said question and answers would go a long way towards credibility. Your reference to Gallup for the Demographic was dead on Gallup stated their exact question and posted the results by answer, the written analysis on the page not so good however. If you can prove me wrong I will acknowledge my error.
     
  15. Lord Blackadder macrumors G5

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    The Tea Party is more of a threat to conservatives than it is to liberals, since it divides and dilutes the power of conservative politics.
     
  16. Gelfin macrumors 68020

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    My first exposure to Alinsky as well. In reading what he's about, the irony is how strongly it struck me that "Rules for Radicals" sounds a lot like the Tea Party playbook, but for two exceptions:

    Rule 10: Failure because the Tea Party movement has offered nothing remotely resembling a "constructive alternative."

    Rule 11: Failure because apart from vaguely demonizing the President, the Tea Party's complaints are entirely unfocused. "The gummint" is about as nonspecific as you can get.

    Apart from that, this ruleset seems to describe exactly what they are trying to accomplish.

    Oh noes. The Tea Party is *gasp* COMMUNITY ORGANIZING (or presenting a facade of doing so, anyway). Isn't that COMMUNISM?!
     
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    Rt&Dzine, your notion that, "I'm threatened by them because they are reactionaries who inspire hate and violence." comes across to me as just plain silly.

    Is it reactionary to object to the past and present levels of deficit spending? To object to the government's taking ever more control of banking and home lending? To guarantee near-worthless loan paper with your tax dollars? To object of the takeover of GM and Chrysler and continuing to subsidize their losses with your tax dollars?

    Those are major portions of the primary talking points.

    So not only do I see the notion about the Tea Party views being reactionary as naive if not foolish, I fail to understand how such objections would inspire hate and violence. If you look at "who did what", these last forty-five years, politically-motivated violence has predominantly come from the Left.

    The biggest real-world threat you face is the government's policies and actions which are reducing the buying power of your billfold.

    Gelfin, the tactics of "Rules for Radicals" are universal. That they were labelled "for Radicals" is irrelevant. A recipe cares not about the race, creed or religion of the cook. That people come together to organize is not definitive as to their goal or intent.
     
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    To others of us Rt&Dzine's words sum the situation up perfectly. They're a hyperpatriot, right-wing flash mob whose chains are being pulled.
     
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    You mean like the Democratic Congressman who just won an election there ?
     
  20. hamlinspahn macrumors regular

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    Stats

    Where did you find stats on politically-motivated violence and wether it was demo or repub responsible. I love quoted stats with supporting evidence that can easily be verified they are so hard to argue with.
     
  21. IntheNet macrumors regular

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    While this may have been the case initially, and certainly NY23 in 2009 was a learning experience, I do not see the Tea Party Movement a detraction from conservatives or Republicans but rather something that truly unites the party. Matter of fact, if Florida Senate race can be used as an example, the Tea Party is helping real conservatives (Marco Rubio) triumph over conservatives in name only (Charlie Crist). Think of the Tea Party movement as the renewal of conservatism baptismal vows; politically speaking. In terms of liberals, the Tea Party movement is showing how far Obama and his socialist chums are from mainstream America and how his marxist policies are bankrupting America.
     
  22. .Andy macrumors 68030

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    You're in for a treat reading desertrat's posts then :D;)!

    We've been infiltrated by fake conservatives! Eternal vigilance in rooting out the imposters!
     
  23. IntheNet macrumors regular

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    Not to worry... we are ever-watchful for liberal infiltrators within the movement!

    And don't forget... We're proud... Since 1773
     
  24. hamlinspahn macrumors regular

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    A little confused

    How does saying let me prove the Tea Party is bringing dems and repubs together and for proof just look repub A vs repub B, if anything you claim supports the statement you were trying to rebuke.
     

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