Tea party- what is the deal?

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by leekohler, Apr 29, 2010.

  1. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Now that we have the lowest tax rate in 60 years, I'm wondering why you all are upset. It's obviously no longer taxes. So tell us...

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20002548-503544.html

    No surprise here really. When Clinton balanced the budget before, conservatives screamed to the heavens anyway.

    My point? The TEA Party has never been about fiscal responsibility in the first place. They are terrified of a black president and terrified that "white" America is no longer the majority. In essence, they are scared of change. And as I was treated to at a recent TEA Party, they are terrified that gays might be able to get married. So let's just call a spade a spade already...I'm tired of the BS.
     
  2. bobber205 macrumors 68020

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    I agree. And it's sad that the GOP is catering to the Tea Party.
     
  3. leekohler thread starter macrumors G5

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    People here kept asking if any of us had been to a TEA Party, so I went. It was disgusting, but not surprising.

    "Obama is a Nazi!" "America is a Christian nation!"

    No to both.

    You got your lower taxes folks. So that excuse is out the door.
     
  4. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    they left out another reason why tax refunds are so high this year.

    PEOPLE LOST THEIR JOBS.


    My tax refund was near 3 grand and the stimulus was chump changed in that amount. It was so high because I lost my job and my gross income from the year went from around 54-55k a year down to under 20k.

    Tax collected are at the lowest leval per capita in 60 years because so many people lost their jobs. At the end of 2009 the employment in the US was just about were it was 10years before hand in year 2000 yet the population grew by a lot. Those numbers add up and means a huge drop in tax revenue. The president speech has a lot of pure bs in it and leaves out some huge key issues on why things are there. 400 stimulus is chump change compared of the 3k I got out of in my refund. A refund that if I kept my job might of been only a few 100 at most but more than likely would be about break even.

    Now when you factor in that much of a drop I shot threw multiple tax brackets. All the income I collect at the beginning of the year was tax at a much higher rate in the 55kish range. Loss my job and now I get most of that money back.

    A lot of people are in that boat were they lost their jobs first part of 2009 and their income drops like a rock which will GREATLY increase their tax refund.
     
  5. leekohler thread starter macrumors G5

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    While I sympathize with you Rodimus, that has never been something the TEA Party has been big on. As a matter of fact, they don;t like people who aren't working- they're taking their tax money. And the link I posted is about more than tax refunds.
     
  6. Rt&Dzine macrumors 6502a

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    I know they don't like czars. You know, the czars that were started by Nixon and expanded on by Reagan.
     
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    And of course taxpayer funded roads and public transportation that leads to the parks where they have their protests with police protection is socialism.
     
  8. jessep28 macrumors 6502

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    Of course the Republican controlled Congress throughout most of Clinton's tenure had nothing to do with it.
     
  9. leekohler thread starter macrumors G5

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    Apparently not:

    http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/09/27/clinton.surplus/
     
  10. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    Tax refunds are going to be high when plenty of families are out of work and falling in lower tax brackets, thats still only taking into account income taxes which the left has consistently said don't matter compared to other regressive taxes (which have went up btw).

    When there is giant spending on the governments part the people aren't stupid, they know they are going to be paying for it down the line. Its like lighting a mile long fuse and when someone gathers to protest that you are blowing up the country you claim that nothing has blown up yet. :cool:
     
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    Oh I disagree and do not like the tea party on a lot of levels. It is just the part in the article that said refunds are at the highest level in so long all because of the stimulus pissed me off. It has very little truth in it.

    As for the tea party movement the name tea bagger never rang well with me. My first though that comes to my mind is a insult imature kids do in video games when they kill you by couching on ones dead body. Just using a name for a party that is the nic name for part of the male anatomy.
     
  12. leekohler thread starter macrumors G5

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    I never said "teabagger" in this thread.
     
  13. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    They cater to the tea party because they ARE the tea party. Tea party is nothing more than a rebranding of the GOP in order to distance themselves from the negative opinions of GWB and the "Republican party."

    Jobs. Ahhh, jobs. The economy is turning around, jobs are being created, people are beginning to find work, and things are slowly getting better. Not because of GWB's tax cuts, or incentives to move jobs overseas, but because of policies that have been opposed by the tearepublican party.

    If I had to guess, the same issues that have motivated the far right will be the issues the tea party adopts. Abortion. Anti-Gay. Flag burning. English as a national language. Prayer in School. School vouchers. Immigration. 10 Commandments. Intelligent design vs. evolution.

    On top of that, the new far right rallying cries. Evil Cap & Trade, global warming hoax, and No-VAT tax (which is really strange - seeing as it has not been proposed by anyone and it's basically a sales tax which is what the FAIR tax kooks want).
     
  14. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    Thats funny, the unemployment rate is 10.2% right now according to google/DoLS good thing we are creating those jobs! Another short sight, we actually have to pay back the stimulus that is supposedly holding us above water (at a crisp 10.2% unemployment instead of a promised 8% if we pass it now). Saving/Creating jobs is a farce, give me a call when the economy has actually turned around instead of using some nice accounting tricks.
     
  15. leekohler thread starter macrumors G5

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    This still has nothing to do with the TEA Party. And I don't know where you were, but the Bush administration was also very good at fudging unemployment numbers. We are still in this mess largely because of Bush's policies- especially the stupid wars. There was no TEA Party for those 8 years at all- NOTHING. There's reason they're here now- and it's anything but taxes.

    Sorry- I'm sick of it. Having been to these things and seeing for myself, they need to be called what they are.
     
  16. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    We were coming off of a spike in the economy and the housing market. The financial system didn't collapse (although it was surely rotten) till the very end of Bush's second term. The first bailout got people pissed off while Bush was in office, the phones were ringing off the hook to kill the bailout bill.

    Obama comes into office and does the very thing they were rallying against at the end of Bush's term multi-billion dollar stimulus (on top of which we had a nice amount of pork which was made to be frivolous by the left due to only being a small percent of the bill (its a 800B dollar bill, you can make anything look frivolous with that much money)).
     
  17. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    What is funny is that you can't recognize that things were getting worse rapidly, and that finally, there are signs that the economy is turning around.

    Let me see if I can make this simple so you might understand. Look at the right side of the following graph. See how the line starts going up, and up, and up, and up! Now, keep going to the right. See how the line stops going up, and even begins to turn down. That is what it looks like when the unemployment rate stops increasing, and begins to improve. When you are bleeding from a wound, you have to first stop the bleeding before you can start the healing.

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    Let me guess, you won't admit that things are getting better until they are completely fixed or Republicans are elected, whichever comes first.
     
  18. leekohler thread starter macrumors G5

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    I don't buy it- not for one minute. Have you been to one of these things? Have you actually talked to any of the people at them? I have.

    And I'm sorry- Bush was driving the economy into the ground his entire administration- spending recklessly as soon as he got into office. He blew the surplus right away. The economy tanked right after 9/11 and never really got any better, and everyone I knew was laid off at some point during Bush's administration. No TEA Party the whole time.

    Now- things are picking up at work, all my friends are employed and feel secure where they are, and I might actually be able to get a substantial raise. GM has paid back their bailout money. We even have lower taxes. So WTF?
     
  19. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    It was not a comment aim at people attacking the Tea Party. It was more talking about what the Tea party started off calling themselves. It was a dumb name to start with and since then nothing else matters.
    Sorry if you took it that way. It was to add insult to the Tea Party. I honestly do not like most of the movement and I agree with little of what they stand for.
     
  20. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    I do not think the GOP are the Tea Party. The Tea Party to me is a subsec of the GOP. The Conservative nut case part and a very vocal one at that but I think it is very little of the GOP over all
     
  21. leekohler thread starter macrumors G5

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    Haha! Gotcha. :) And the fact that they started calling themselves that in the first place should embarrass them all.

    See- I agree with you completely.

    I think that it may have started out with good intentions, but from what I've been seeing here in Chicago, it's nothing but a bunch of extremists who put themselves under the name. It's become a group that every extreme right individual has gravitated toward.
     
  22. MacNut macrumors Core

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    This is the problem, the Tea Party as a concept is a good idea, get after government for reckless spending. What it became was a bunch of whack-jobs with a mic in hand. I agree in principal with what the tea party is saying, don't put money into things we don't need.
     
  23. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    Thanks for explaining how a graph works, what you seem to not realize is that we are going to hit a threshold where unemployment discontinues its rise no matter what as long as our economy is still able to function.

    I will admit things are getting better when they stop using accounting tricks to make it seem as if jobs are flourishing (unemployment is on the rise still) and our GDP is on a hard rise (nice lil inventory adjustments took most of the credit for that one).
     
  24. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    Another farce, we bailed GM, took over a significant portion of the company, put money in an account for them and they gave it back so they could get another loan at a lower interest rate because the administration thought it would be unpopular to loan the money to GM after they had just gotten a bailout. Make everyone think GM is on the up and up even though they lost money and then its all a sudden okay to give them a low interest loan.
     
  25. leekohler thread starter macrumors G5

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    I think anybody would agree with that. ;)
     

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