Ted Cruz on ISIS, Syria, and ... Mexico?

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  1. 63dot macrumors 603

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    http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/10/opinion/ted-cruz-how-us-can-stop-isis/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

    I can see many republicans, and some democrats in favor of fighting ISIS both in Iraq and Syria with airstrikes but why is Cruz bringing up the Mexican border? Can ISIS use this porous border as a way to enter the USA and attack us back? Is this even plausible (at 1:55 in video)?

    Is he simply trying to use this Middle East crisis as a way to bolster his already popular immigration rhetoric (with his Tea Party supporters) on Mexico?
     
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    I'd seriously doubt it. Think about it. IS is of the Islamic faith (and a fanatical sect of that). Mexico is fiercely Christian (mainly Catholic). The moment IS would step foot in Mexico, they'd try their hack-and-slash tactics on everyone there because they haven't/won't convert. A fanatical sect versus an entire country. Very long odds, especially when you bring the cartels into the mix.

    This. It's a common tactic: use the lowest common denominator (fear and paranoia) to incite those gullible into action. Another person tried doing that a few years ago. With all due respect to those living there, if I remember correctly, that person's country has yet to win a war.

    BL.
     
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    Yeah, I could say that's the USA with George W. Bush in his lifetime. He was born in 1946 and since then there's no war we have "won". WWII is the last victory we had in any way/shape/form and ole W wanted that in his Iraq War adventure. We went in and in the end the only loser was us. IIRC, our esteemed W used every fear and paranoia trick in the book to get us in there.

    Ted Cruz, if he becomes POTUS, will make every mistake W did and we will be in for a long ride as well as another umpteen years into another recession.
     
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    2016 will be an interesting presidential election, with a neocon, corporatist, Wall Street-owned, one-percenter Democrat in the personage of Hillary Clinton running against an heretofore unknown Republican contender.

    It will be very interesting if Rand Paul is her opponent.
     
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    Rand doesn't stand a chance and he's a midseason firework of the Sarah Palin nutjob variety. It would more likely be Jeb Bush, Cruz, Rubio, or Christie.
     
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    Oh honey. You do realize that Rand and Ted are neocon, corporatist, Wall Street-owned, one-percenters too, right?
     
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    Rand Paul is a neocon? Your ignorance is breathtaking.
     
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    Cruz is late getting on board the crazy train -- Rick Perry warned of an imminent ISIS invasion via Mexico last month.

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    As is your naivety.

    Also, I love that the title "NeoCon" is the one thing you deny. So you do admit that he's just another Wall Street owned, one-percenter, corporatist stooge then?
     
  10. Gutwrench macrumors 65816

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    Let's have the UK support ISIS; while the Ausssiies
    support the Taliban
     
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    cruz is the crazy train conductor and his dad is the caboose.
     
  12. 63dot, Sep 11, 2014
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    Rand has been very interesting to watch. When I first saw him he outlined his issues which seemed to be more or less libertarian and not a person who I thought would go far in the GOP. He was an outlier or so it seemed but was not as hardcore as his dad, maybe. Where his dad was lockstep in certain libertarian ideas and got hot under the collar, Rand is a lot more diplomatic and can be seen to look like he believes anything if it makes the interview go more smoothly.

    But then as Rand's star rose, he became more and more established and may have even been mentioned in the same sentence as a John McCain or Mitt Romney, and someone who could capture the middle in 2016.

    Even the most grass roots type of politicians are certainly not that if they make it all the way to making it to the House or Senate. Ron Paul is about as far away from the GOP establishment as you can get but when push comes to shove he quiets down. When the small town reporter asks him about drugs, he's all about legalizing them but when a major network asks him, he dodges the question or changes the subject and may only talk about marijuana as something that should be legal (a stance many on left and right easily agree with anyway). Rand on the other hand won't even entertain libertarian ideas anymore and is furiously making himself out to be viable for the richer GOP establishment. It's no coincidence that he ditched a small time Christian group he was supposed to speak at and instead went to the Hamptons where many rich and powerful of both parties reside.

    But Ted Cruz isn't as Tea Party as Rand so his transformation from a right wing republican to a moderate republican who can win in 2016 won't be as major. This could play well into his camp because if anyone asks about him catering to moderates, all he has to do is to point to Rand Paul and criticize him. While I like Rand over Ted, I think Ted has less of a flip flop reputation and the GOP establishment can get more behind him than Rand. Hey, if an ultra conservative niche republican like Dick Cheney can hide his past and become the overnight established republican with "gravitas", then anything can happen.

    If the GOP truly wants to win they have to do well in the moderate battleground states, and if the president is doing well in November 2016, then that leaves a Chris Christie moderate or an established name like Jeb Bush. Even then, if dems repair their image in the next two years, then no GOP rival stands a chance this time around. My 2 cents.
     
  13. Technarchy, Sep 11, 2014
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    This is a valid concern.

    Mexico's ability to act as a staging point for aggression against the USA is not a new concept...

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    That must be the Zimmerman telegram?
     
  15. nebo1ss macrumors 68030

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    Hi don't forget this one.

    http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/10/25/invasion-grenadaronaldreagan.html
     
  16. SHNXX macrumors 68000

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    Ted Cruz is an idiot.
    Listening to him makes you lose a fraction of points from your IQ.
     
  17. shinji macrumors 65816

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    Ted Cruz graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School, and Princeton before that.

    Say what you will about his political opinions or his willingness to capitalize on voter ignorance and bigotry, but the man is not an idiot at all.
     
  18. steve knight macrumors 68020

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    No he wants to rule the world in gods name is all.
     
  19. SHNXX macrumors 68000

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    That's pretty impressive although the stuff he says doesn't seem to match his academic achievements at all.
     
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    Reminds me of the Orator in Chief. :eek:
     
  21. Technarchy macrumors 604

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    That is correct, and it's quite a bit older than Ted Cruz, yet the core concern is the same.
     
  22. steve knight macrumors 68020

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    cause of his religion. when you want to rule the world your gonna be a bit nutty.
     
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    Yes. Cruz is one of a long line of politicians to claim that some active terrorist group is going to invade the United States through Mexico. First, it was Hamas, then it was Al Qaeda, and now ISIS.

    Actually, this is more instructive that you realize. Did Mexico decide to arm up and invade the southern United States in a bid to seize land and distract the United States from World War I?
    No, it was a request from one diplomatic partner to another, which was ultimately refused.

    The argument is, can ISIS agents use Mexico—or for that matter Central America—as a entry point into the United States? And the question is complicated by ISIS objectives—they seem more interesting in fighting for a new caliphate—and access to Mexico. They would also need access to the smuggling network and once in the United States, the willingness and ability to do harm.

    It's worth concern, but the main objective shouldn't be to seal the border, but to actively work with Mexican intelligence to track, seek and find anyone connected with ISIS/ISIL/AQI who tries to enter Mexico.

    It's possible we've already done that and even that we have some intelligence from the cartels, who do not want to be linked to a major terrorist attack in the United States—which would result in a sealing of the border, screwing up their highly profitable smuggling operations.

    The cartels may be a bulwark against ISIS, because the minute they believe that someone like ISIS threatens their business, they'll seal those operators in a barrel full of acid.

    Earlier movements by Hamas seemed to indicate that the groups had reached an agreement to move money around, but that's far different from allowing a Syrian militant to smuggle a dirty bomb into El Paso.
     
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    So if he is not an idiot, he must be evil. I mean, with a name that ends in "z", you would expect him to understand stuff about Mexico. If he does and yet continues to tout this line, he is worse than pondscum (which is itself at least useful).
     
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    Yes, he is smart enough to know he has no ideas to govern so try and fool them with fear.
     

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