Ted Cruz risks primary disqualification in New Jersey resulting from charges of ballot access fraud.

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  1. thewap, Apr 9, 2016
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    Quoted from article;
    Washington D.C. Law Professor Victor Williams charges that Ted Cruz fraudulently certified his constitutional eligibility for office to gain ballot access. Williams demands that Cruz be disqualified from several late-primary ballots: “Cruz committed ballot access fraud in each state when he falsely swore that he was a ‘natural born’ American citizen.” Cruz was born in Calgary, Canada and held his resulting Canadian citizenship until May 2014. Cruz is a naturalized (not natural born) American citizen.

    Williams’ fraud charges had quick effect in New Jersey. Rather than accepting Cruz’s ballot petition when filed last week, the Secretary of State (Kim Guadagno) scheduled the unusual Administrative Law hearing for April 11. The Canadian-born Cruz must prove that he did not falsely certify his eligibility for office.

    Cruz’s ballot eligibility is also being challenged in California, Maryland, Montana,Nebraska, Oregon, South Dakota, and Washington.

    Interestingly Cruz's personal records pertaining to his citizenship status have been sealed by the courts (for privacy concern) - and fioa requests have been denied for his birth certificate, or US naturalization papers. Cruz may still be legally a Canadian citizen.

    But...Ted..privacy concerns?..your running for public office..release your citizenship papers!
    (Mr. constitutionalist..barf)

    http://www.ethyper.com/breaking-cru...sey-ballot-due-to-voter-fraud-violations.html

    http://victorwilliamsforpresident.com
     
  2. thewap thread starter macrumors demi-god

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    Is Ted Cruz also a US senator by fraud?
    Cruz was a Canadian citizen until 2014 (we think) as we only have his renouncing Canadian citizenship certification (but no US naturalization papers).

    The Constitutional requirements for the US Senate are as follows;
    “No Person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.”

    At 42 years old in 2012, Ted Cruz obviously met the age requirement of 30 years. However, he also needed to meet the requirement of at least “nine Years a Citizen of the United States.” As the Constitution states, one cannot be just an “Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.”
     
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    it seems he's been a US citizen his whole life as his mother was a US citizen at the time of his birth
     
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    Not if he has not filed for citizenship and is still under the jurisdiction of Canada, and not if mother renounced citizenship and was and is a Canadian citizen whether born US or not. A person born abroad cannot just declare I am an American citizen by birthright, he has to actually get naturalized and get US citizenship papers - that is if the parents were US citizens at the time...were they?
    Father was Cuban and became Canadian, mother was US then became Canadian, then both had a child.

    Was Ted Cruz able to file for citizenship when his mother renounced US citizenship when she became Canadian? Furthermore Canada did not allow dual citizenship until 1977..

    Imagine an American goes to syria and gets married with a syrian, renounces US citizenship and becomes Syrian, has a child, the child comes to the US with Syrian papers, and just declares himself a US citizen keeping his Syrian citizen status?
     
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    Ted Cruz is every bit as much a natural born citizen as DearLeader Obama.
     
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    That's okay. Paul Ryan is waiting in the wings.
     
  7. thewap thread starter macrumors demi-god

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    Yes Hillary's BF and his masters Bush.

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    Hmmm, that's one abusive BF considering the things he says about her! So, does that mean you wouldn't vote for a Paul Ryan Nominee?
     
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    Absolutely not.
     
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    My understanding is that the Supreme Court struck down the prohibition of dual citizenship. Moreover, I thought that one has to renounce US citizenship actively in order to cease being a US citizen. Certainly there are US citizens living abroad who have to pay tax on that basis even though they feel they are not US citizens and have never filed for social security numbers, passport etc.

    In any case, I think the question we need to ask about Cruz is not whether he is American, but whether he is human. :p
     
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    Ted's mother never became a Canadian nor has it ever been shown she renounced her US citizenship. In any event Ted was born before she could meet Canadian residency qualifications to be come a Canadian.

    Besides, when the family moved back to the US they would have had to show their citizenship & immigration documents to get through border controls since we've never had an uncontrolled border with Canada. Ted has travelled abroad on a US passport since his high school days, and that would have required him to have shown documents proving his citizenship.
     
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    The US actually makes it very challenging to renounce citizenship......probably since that bit about collecting taxes from US citizens.

    That's the real question
     
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    All of Ted Cruz's documents are sealed by the court, as well as his families - both in US and in Canada.

    Quote: Ted's mother never became a Canadian nor has it ever been shown she renounced her US citizenship. In any event Ted was born before she could meet Canadian residency qualifications to be come a Canadian.

    Source of your claim please.

    Quote: Besides, when the family moved back to the US they would have had to show their citizenship & immigration documents to get through border controls since we've never had an uncontrolled border with Canada. Ted has travelled abroad on a US passport since his high school days, and that would have required him to have shown documents proving his citizenship.

    Anyone from Canada can get into the USA, and no he has NEVER shown his US citizenship documents.
     
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    There are plenty of articles discussing the issue.

    Cruz's birth and time of residency of parents when he was born (source);


    residency requirement (Canadian government source);

    apparently back in the early 1970s the requirement was 5 years

    If you have anything to prove she'd renounced her US citizenship before lyin' Ted was born, then source your claim.......but I suspect that the Trump campaign has searched and searched for such proof, and since they've not presented anything, it seems unlikely there's anything concrete
     
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    Trump's investigators are still a little busy in Hawaii sorting another birth certificate issue out. I'm sure they'll get to this...eventually. :)
     
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    Since neither were eligible under natural born citizen law, you are correct.
     
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    apparently not....here's his birth certificate;

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    Brietbart has his mother's birth certificate online too, so the idea that all these personal records are sealed by a court seems to be wrong
     
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    Hmm. I'm wondering what year Hawaii was kicked out of the union.
     
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    Hmm thats a Canadian birth certificate lol !. and Mother's birth cert is irrelevant if she renounced US citizenship to become Canadian.

    Quote from article:
    Unfortunately, there is no evidence to suggest that the parent or parents of Ted Cruz ever filed a CRBA form with the U.S. Government in or around 1970, which is why Ted Cruz released a copy of his Canadian citizenship records and not any U.S. citizenship records. At present, all FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) requests filed in search of any U.S. citizenship documents to confirm the true official U.S. citizenship status of Ted Cruz have been denied access. All citizenship records for Ted Cruz are sealed unless and until Ted Cruz agrees to allow any such records to be released by either U.S. or Canadian agencies.

    http://northamericanlawcenter.org/ted-cruz-is-in-the-u-s-senate-illegally/#.VwqJAmMz67B[/QUOTE]
     
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    This recently changed, when I got citizenship in '15 it was 3 years permanent residency with no physical stay needed. They bumped it to 4 right after and you have to be present 186 days out of each year.
     
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    still waiting for you to provide something beyond unsupported speculation

    but so what? Aren't you aware that filling a CRBA isn't required by law? The State Department says you should do it because it may help avoid problems later on, but it's not required........there's even have another document available in case one wasn't filed and you need something years later(source);


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    Having a FOIA request denied just means that not everything the government has is available to anybody who comes asking for it......like info that would be useful for identity theft.

    Your social security number, tax filings, birth certificate, and other personal info simply has gotten a degree of protection it didn't used to get. When it come to lyin' Ted allowing his records to be released, he's already released both his birth certificate and his mother's.
     
  25. thewap thread starter macrumors demi-god

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    Good to know anybody can become a candidate for the presidency just by stating your an American without any proof of US citizenship according to many here.
     

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