Teen Abstinence a Mounting Problem

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  1. spork183 macrumors 6502a

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    And once again, we are reminded that burying our head in the sand will not prevent STD's or teen pregnancy...

    I see there was thread back in December about "Abstinence working". Yea, the theory of Abstinence works. The reality has one in four teen girls with an STD. 1 in 4. Odds are high that one of George's daughter's, No, I won't go there...

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7368219.stm[/QUOTE]
     
  2. Abstract macrumors Penryn

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    If kids are having problems mounting each other, no wonder they're abstinent.




    There was a thread title similar to this one posted years ago, and I'm expecting similar jokes to be made
     
  3. Gelfin macrumors 68020

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    I can think of few more embarrassing reasons for teen abstinence.

    Curse your quick reply! :D
     
  4. spork183 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    yeah, started that one, but the point of this was not the humor. Our abstinence policy sucks, so to speak...
     
  5. Abstract macrumors Penryn

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    Sexual education should be delivered in the form of porn, and fear-inducing videos of STDs and their victims. Possibly throw in an R. Kelly music video as well.
     
  6. taylorwilsdon macrumors 68000

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    People ****. Thats pretty natural. If you're "teaching" abstinence in lieu of safe sex; then there is a problem.
     
  7. notjustjay macrumors 603

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    I'm certain I've seen a thread here before with this same title. Hmm.

    Well, both need to be taught. Abstinence is an option that needs to be given more thought. In your teenage years you think you can do anything, and golly, this looks like fun, let's do it!

    I personally practice abstinence until marriage, but even if that's not what you believe, I advocate waiting until you're really ready instead of just going at it the first chance you get, without thinking through the consequennces. How to determine when you're ready, that's the subjective part. My answer involves vows, I don't know what to suggest to someone else.
     
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    If a kid is practicing abstinence, it's sorta hard to get an STD. To cut to the chase, he can't. Gotta have sex to get an STD; you don't get it off the toilet seat. (A gullible wife might believe it, but don't try that BS on the medics.) A kid with an STD was not practicing abstinence. Period. End of story.

    I note that surveys taken in the years right after Slick/Monica showed that high school kids had come to believe that oral sex was not really sex. Well, folks, it's long been held that homo sap is not a rational animal; he's a rationalizing animal. So, bend over, Little Bubba, enjoy the needle...

    "As I stand here, trying to piss,
    I think of the gal who gave me this.
    And if she has it when I get well,
    I'll get it again, just sure as hell."

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  9. skunk macrumors G4

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    Methinks you are missing the entire point.
     
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    You just made my life. Like, legit.
     
  11. Bobdude161 macrumors 65816

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    problem is is that kids are being taught two different things in todays culture. The school says no sex before you are married but then they go home to their tv or computer and see the opposite. Now which source do u think they will follow? I'm guessing not school.
     
  12. Osarkon macrumors 68020

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    Damnit, I wasn't anywhere near quick enough.
     
  13. takao macrumors 68040

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    wow fast thinking there .. not that the high teenage pregnancy numbers should have been enough... like years ago

    i'm surprised you haven't attached warning labels to it like with anything else american
     
  14. desenso macrumors 6502a

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    Horribly phrased title to the thread. "Abstinence Education a (Foreseeable) Failure" would have been better.
     
  15. stevegmu macrumors regular

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    Why would the BBC even carry a story like this? This just adds more evidence to my belief the English are obsessed with us.

    Unless things have radically changed since I was in high-school, sex-ed is taught in addition to abstinence.
     
  16. solvs macrumors 603

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    If you're referring to one of mine, had you read it, you would have seen that I said "except it doesn't". ;)

    You want kids urinating on each other? :eek:

    That was the point. ;)

    The problem is that that's all they're teaching, along with some misinformation about birth control. Nothing is wrong with abstinence itself, but abstinence only education is failing. Kinda the point.

    Kinda the point 'rat. The kids are taught abstinence only. They aren't practicing abstinence. Which is why we're saying it's not working. Because it's not working.

    It's a reference to another title, which was unintentionally funny.

    Why wouldn't they? :confused: The BBC has global news. Besides, there was a growing abstinence only movement trying to take root there awhile ago, news like this may give those in power pause before trying such a thing. Or is this just another one of those things where you don't like the content of the news, so you attack the messenger for no reason, especially if it's a foreign one?

    Yes, I'm sure that's it. :rolleyes:

    Uh, things have radically changed. Where have you been? In the past few years the administration has forced an abstinence only education program on schools, threatening to take away their funding if they didn't agree to it. It doesn't work, as all evidence shows no matter how much they try to bury or discount it, but they're still pushing it. It's right there in the link had you read it.
     
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    I remember the first time I read about the 'abstinence only' approach to STD and teen pregnancy. I found it impossible to understand the reason for settling on only one single strategy. The problem is nearly at epidemic levels (some believe it already is). Why wouldn't we want to use all the tools and resources available to us? Why would we leave a large percentage of our young people at risk?

    Not all kids are going to buy into abstinence. That is just the way it is. Those being raised in conservative religious homes may be able to pull it off. Most of their lives revolve around their church. They usually socialize with other like-minded kids. Many are home schooled, or attend private schools. They live in a very controlled environment.

    The conservative religious right believes they alone are the ones, which can speak to American 'values'. They also are convinced they are ordained by God to force their values on the rest of society. If given an opportunity, they would make pre-marital sex illegal. Fortunately, they do not have that level of clout yet. However, they are constantly looking for ways to slowly erode personal choice and self-determination.

    I think part of the reason they do not want anything except abstinence promoted, is because it would undermine one of their best weapons ... fear. If it is shown that the use of condoms, birth control pills and other safe sex practices, will protect the individual, then it is much more difficult to sell fear.
     
  18. Eric Piercey macrumors 6502

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    So the moral of the story is, when you have kids of your own... let them know about STDs.
     
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    To paraphrase Eminem: Sex is everywhere, where was you brought up?

    Which is part of the problem. After all in popular culture there is plenty of talk about sex and lots of people (supposedly) have sex but STDs and safe sex, which is really safer sex because it's safer than using nothing, are rarely mentioned along side.
     
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    Not quite sure how people don't understand that abstinence-only programs are federally-funded programs, while sex-ed classes are paid for by the state and locality. The abstinence-only programs do not replace the sex-ed classes. They are in addition to them.
     
  21. SMM macrumors 65816

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    So, what is your point? What does this have to do with the federal government only funding a program, which has negligible history of success, and is highly criticized by the American Psychological Association, the American Medical Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, the Society for Adolescent Medicine, the American College Health Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and the American Public Health Association?

    I also note that once again you choose to collectively attack the members here with your 'holier than thou' comments, "..... Not quite sure how people don't understand...." Personally, I find it quite tiring. :p
     
  22. leekohler macrumors G5

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    And why is the federal government funding something obviously based on opinion (religious or otherwise) and not fact?
     
  23. stevegmu macrumors regular

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    If kids actually adhere to abstinence, then there would be no problems with teen pregnancy or STD's. Not quite sure how that is not fact.

    I don't like how my tax dollars pay for welfare or many other programs, but that's life.
     
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    Because it's not fact. You can get STDs from activities such as kissing, sharing needles, and vertically through childbirth or breastfeeding. STD just means an infection that can be transmitted through intercourse, not that it's specifically and uniquely transferred through intercourse.
     
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    Kids are NOT going to adhere to abstinence in significant enough quantities, to make an impact on the number of teen pregnancies. Should we pay for abortions, or long-term welfare programs for 16 year-old single mothers?
     

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