Teen suspect who died after Roswell police chase was heart recipient

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  1. bmt134 macrumors 6502

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    http://www.ajc.com/news/news/roswell-pd-fleeing-burglar-shoots-at-victim-hits-p/nkjdM/


    Hospital was right afterall.

    Previous thread on the controversial heart transplant here.
     
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    Sad that two people are likely now dead, whoever would have gotten the heart if the media hadn't pressured the hospital into doing the transplant, and this kid. If they were a greater supply of donated organs than the demand for them then everyone should have a right to it, but as it is they should have given it to the person the most likely to benefit from it for the long term.
     
  3. bmt134 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    It's true that the media ran with a sensational story, but majority of the blame goes to the disingenuous family and patient who made the initial false claims.
     
  4. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 604

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    Hospital was NOT right. They made an assumption which turned out to be correct for this specific person. Pretty sure their track record of assuming would be far from flawless if they were allowed to do so. Hospitals can't judge potential organ recipients like some "Minority Report" movie.
     
  5. bmt134 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    The term clinical judgement exists for a reason.

    http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/clinical+judgment


    The hospital's and team's of doctors clinical judgement was right then. Is right now.
     
  6. paulrbeers macrumors 68040

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    Wait wait.... Hospitals get to play god now?

    Clinical Judgement is in determining the course of treatment. Not determining who gets treatment....

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170707/

    Maybe receiving the heart transplant would have given him a new lease on life and he made the most of it. What if this kid had gone on to be a Rhodes Scholar and found the cure for cancer?

    Hindsight is always 20/20. They were right that he wouldn't make use of the heart and do something foolish. How is this any different than the alcoholic who gets a liver transplant and goes on to destroy liver #2?
     
  7. unlinked macrumors 6502a

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    Pretty sure they can and have to.

    The person he shot at, the driver of the other car and the pedestrian he hit didn't die. I wonder what happened to the person he bumped off the end of the transplant list.
     
  8. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Now?

    Haven't they always?
     
  9. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 604

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    Exactly, anything otherwise is a form of discrimination/bias.
     
  10. paulrbeers macrumors 68040

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    There is a difference between trying to save lives, and just deciding someone dies. If you end up with 30 injured people from say a large pileup of cars, it's one thing to realize that person X has mortal wounds and thus even trying to save them will only cause persons A,B, and C to die.

    In the case of this thread, there is no way to know that this Kid was going to do with his life and no way of knowing whether another heart necessary to satisfy other heart recipients wasn't going to come along.... They would literally be playing god and letting someone die when they could have saved them.

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    Who's to say that everyone in critical need for a heart transplant with the exact heart requirements that he "bumped" off didn't get their necessary transplant? For all we know, there were plenty of heart donors (unfortunately) with the exact same blood type, etc. to cover the critical needs.
     
  11. Roric macrumors regular

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    If there were plenty of donors, then there would be no need for the lengthy transplant needs list.
     
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    Because people die all the time from there not being enough organs available for transplants. If organs were going to waste from there not being enough patients then you'd have a point, however that isn't the case. And until that changes the policy should be to give them to the person who is most likely to make good use of it and continue to be a good citizen.
     
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    Aha! A case of medical-profiling. Jessie Hi-Jackson suddenly has an added source of income.
     
  14. bmt134 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Maybe you need to familiarize yourself with the organ transplant process first, before you continue in this discussion.

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    There is no way to know anything in medicine with absolute certainty. However, he was deemed a poor candidate for multitude of reasons; where as there were plenty of other candidates without his risk factors. Organs in general are extremely limited, especially hearts. So organ transplant team has to be very judicious in their selection process. So yes, they do get to choose who gets to receive the transplant (live) and who doesn't (die).

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    This statement just further proves your ignorance on this subject.
     
  15. Sydde macrumors 68020

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    Like Richard J. Cheney? Oh yeah, FTN.
     
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  17. bmt134 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I did not realize having a friend whose father needs a liver makes you inherently qualified to speak about this matter. :rolleyes:

    The rest of what you posted is irrelevant to the discussion. The patient in this story was taken off the list of qualified recipients for heart transplants due to extensive history of missing appointments and not taking medications. He was put back on this list due to public outcry, which was baseless, and subsequently received a heart.

    History of repeated non-compliance is more than enough to kick anyone off a transplant list. The transplant team has to make their best judgement on who will receive the most success with a donated organ. It was clear two years ago that success with him would be low, and today is just confirmation.
     
  18. smellysox8 macrumors regular

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    So is anyone else angry that these self-proclaimed victims pulled the race and stole a heart from another higher qualified candidate?

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    What I find funny here is despite breaking entering, despite shooting at an urnarmed elderly lady, despite burglarizing said elderly laid, despite stealing a car, despite leading the police in a dangerous car chase, and despite hitting a pedestrian in said dangerous car chase, there is still someone out there ready to pull the victim/race card in defense of him. Glad the reporter put her in her place.
     
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    Hussein has delegated the job...
     
  20. iBlazed macrumors 68000

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    Lol! As soon as I saw your user name as the most recent comment I knew it would be something entertaining and completely misinformed and ridiculous. You never disappoint.
     
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    I don't condone this guys actions in any way, but by using Facebook photos like that she definitely seems to be trying to push her agenda. I have friends and family who pose like that... maybe not with a gun, but still "thuggish"... and yet not one of them has ever committed a serious crime. And if he already has a criminal record, then presumably he has mug shots.
     
  22. smellysox8 macrumors regular

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    What agenda was associated with the first pic? Wouldn't using a mug shot be a worse effect?

    Maybe this picture would be better:
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    or this

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    Or maybe we can focus the blame from the lowlife and his family who blackmailed for a heart and proceeded to waste it.

    :rolleyes:
     
  23. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 604

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    Yes, that guy is a complete idiot as didn't appreciate having a second chance at life. But he was next in line. This idiot's bad choices should not dictate future choices of judging others. And the "I told you so" attitude only works in hindsight not foresight. Like I said in a previous post, this is not the Minority Report. One right assumption doesn't guarantee every assumption to be correct.

    Being that said, regardless of what a POS this guy was, he still had every right to that heart. Like it or not, that's the best and morally right way to continue the process.
     
  24. APlotdevice macrumors 68040

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    Picking a photo that shows the guy as "aggressive" and "thuggish" creates a preconception in the minds of the intended viewer. Using a mugshot would have at least displayed some professionalism on the part of the reporter.

    I was not blaming her for his actions. Real life is much too complicated and nuanced for such simplistic arguments.
     
  25. kapolani macrumors 6502

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    What a crock...

    This POS chose to post photos like that.

    I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this POS wanted to create that kind of preconception in the minds of intended viewers.

    This is what he wanted people to see. Wanted people to see that he has street cred. That he's a tough guy.

    The guy is dead now. Good riddance. Too bad they couldn't use the heart on someone more deserving.
     

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