Teen Vogue: Can’t end poverty without ending capitalism

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  1. Rogifan macrumors Core

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    I'm more partial to Hitchens's solution to poverty: the empowerment of women, but this sounds cool too! Teen Vogue should lead by example, starting by eliminating worker wages and, I don't know, enrolling everyone—CEO to warehouse worker—in apprenticeships where they will learn make magazines themselves (turning wood pulp into paper, properly composing photographs for publication, journalistic practices and ethics, operating a lithographic printer, etc.) Eye Twitch Crazy Emoji.gif
     
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    Of course - the right way to do it would be to steal money from productive people and give it to deadbeats. Thats worked soooooo well everywhere its been tried. Oh...wait.... actually it makes everyone extremely poor and miserable. But yeah, whatever.
     
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    They’re not wrong, capitalism relies on the lowest wage labor possible around the world. Nothing is going to change that logic.
     
  6. Rogifan thread starter macrumors Core

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    And who at Teen Vogue knows anything about capitalism and socialism?
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    Without free market capitalism you’d have a small number of very wealthy aristocrats and everyone else would be poor.
     
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    ....Did you mean "with"? You described the state of the world today in one sentence.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/16/world/eight-richest-wealth-oxfam.html

    The concentration of wealth is accelerating, not the other way around.
     
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    Who are you to say who knows what about what. Do you know all the writers and editors at Teen Vogue. I think this is just a silly argument to have. I'd even question why you would be reading TV in the first place ;)
     
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    Because centuries of capitalism have eliminated poverty.

    Capitalist inner city in the US:

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    Detroit: source link

    Democratic socialist inner city in Norway:

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    Oslo: source link
     
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    Don't underestimate capitalists ability to try and sell you anything, a critique of capitalism by a capitalist magazine, no problem there's money to be made knocking capitalism.
    Famously a capitalist will try and sell you the rope you are about to hang him with.
     
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    I agree. We do need to stop giving tax breaks and free passes to all the self entitled trust fund baby legacies at the top.
     
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    Nice cherry pick.:rolleyes: Norway is a Constitutional Monarchy. The US was established to GET AWAY from the Monarch. I wish people would stop telling Americans to live like other socialist countries under the British Monarch.
     
  13. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    Norway isn’t ruled by Queen Elizabeth. They have their own Queen.

    They also have rather a lot of oil money.
     
  14. tshrimp macrumors 6502

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    Flat tax, and no IRS.
     
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    Does anybody in the world have that? Honest question.
     
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    You need to be looking ahead, not behind. When most/all menial/basic mechanical jobs and jobs like accounting are taken over by computers, Capitalism is going to get a big wake up call. The system has to serve the majority or else.
     
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    LOL. I admit, I don't know. But it would be as truly fair as you can get. Everyone is forced to pay the same. No one can get out of paying their fair share. Not sure why this has never taken hold. Most people I know from both parties seem to like the idea.
     
  18. Falhófnir macrumors 68040

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    Hmm, now if they said "without ending the ultra-deregulated free market capitalism ushered in by Reagan and Thatcher as recently as the 1980s" then maybe?
     
  19. tshrimp macrumors 6502

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    This has been a talking point for so many years now yet we never see this. You may have a loss of accounting jobs, but an increase in jobs associated with this. Increase in computer techs, engineers, architects, etc. More shipping which creates job. (Severs have to be shipped somewhere). Need for server storage locations, and therefore more need for people to build server rooms/farms. Installing racks to hold pizza boxes or blade servers. People needed to run cabling to the servers. People for QA testing. The list goes on and on. With capitalism people will find a way to make money, and have those opportunities.
     
  20. Falhófnir macrumors 68040

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    Think harder, into more grey areas - what about dairy farmers who can't make a living because of a cut-throat market demanding they supply a product at below production cost. Better to:

    a) Do nothing. Let the farmers go out of business, and hopefully find a new job (probably after claiming income support for at least a couple of months). Allow this to continue until all milk is imported from countries with the lowest cost of production.

    b) Intervene by taxing milk imports, and limiting production to support prices. This will make it more expensive for poor families to buy their subsistence groceries; it would also require a low-level of ongoing subsidy to farmers.
     
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    Ugh capitalism is great at making profitable decisions and is pretty responsive to customer demands (or generating demands via marketing). Pure capitalism and pure socialism both have problems and in reality both have never really existed.

    The capitalist market needs regulation and enforcement from keeping it from doing things counterproductive to the societal good; the socialist market needs to keep away from the delivery and distribution of many consumer goods.

    In capitalist markets the risks can be high, but the rewards are also high (and limited to a few), thing is once a market is established it uses it's power to make the rewards even higher. In socialist markets the risks are few (but affect all), the 'rewards' are equal; and it's almost impossible for socialist markets to capture the entirety of the goods and services demanded by the populous.

    Flat taxes are regressive taxes, (bad idea for income taxes) in a capitalist market. ... and the IRS makes sure you're on the up and up when you file. ...mostly.
     
  22. RootBeerMan macrumors 65816

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    You chose very poorly to try to make your point. Norway is a capitalist country and their economic success is due to capitalism, not their social safety net. Detroit, on the other hand is a city that was driven into the ground by the political party that ran it, the Democrats. people in love with socialism can say what they want, but the facts are that capitalism and free markets have improved the world, as a whole, more than any other system devised by man. More than half the world's people are now in the middle class and devastating poverty is being driven to extinction. All thanks to capitalism. If it weren't for capitalism you would not be in this thread.
     
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    From your link....
    A regressive tax is a tax imposed in such a manner that the tax rate decreases as the amount subject to taxation increases.

    That is not the same as a flat tax. Even your link states this.

    In between is a flat ... where the tax rate is fixed ....
     
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    No Detroit went into the crapper because of NAFTA and the shifting of part manufacturing to Mexico
     
  25. RootBeerMan macrumors 65816

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    Nooo...not quite. NAFTA may have cost it some jobs at the end of its life, but the economic diaspora of jobs and the plant closures started well before that. Most companies fro Detroit either shuttered their doors, or moved out of the city (often to nearby cities) or they moved to other states. NAFTA is just a convenient whipping boy for people who never paid much attention to the goings on in Detroit.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottb...nk-nafta-is-what-killed-detroit/#2894cbb95025
     

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