Tennessee Highway Patrol Under Fire

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  1. jkcerda Suspended

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    http://benswann.com/tennessee-highw...ter-troopers-expose-alleged-dui-quota-system/
    its mostly about revenue. just like most DUI stops are.
     
  2. braddick macrumors 68040

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    It is debatable if "most DUI stops" are revenue based. Be that has it may.
    For the sake of argument, who cares?

    Whatever the motivation- if it gets drunk drivers legitimately off the roads, it matters what the reasons for doing so are?
     
  3. Roric macrumors regular

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    I think the big question that needs to be asked when someone complains about quotas is, "Did the person who was stopped actually commit the violation or not?" If the answer is "yes" then what is the problem? If the person did the violation, they deserved and should have been stopped, irregardless of the existence or absence of a quota.
     
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    From the quote in the article it looks like they are pressured to meet the quota by arresting people who aren't actually drunk. If that happens to you, best case scenario you lose a lot of money fighting it and get off, but you also have a good chance of having your life ruined because a cop was trying to meet his quota.
     
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    Not only that, but it also calls those arrests and punishments of people who were stopped by this under scrutiny. This includes anyone who had been placed on probation, jail time served, license revocations, the whole lot.

    There could potentially be a lot of people who have driving violations and criminal records expunged from this, quite possibly putting them back on the streets to do this again.

    The ramifications here are pretty big for Tennessee and its surrounding states.

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    Red-light cameras bring in much more revenue than DUI busts, and extorting revenue from the citizenry is their sole purpose.
     
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    I thought police had been shot seeing this thread, I'm pleased I was wrong.
     
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    different thread.
     
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    I don't see what the big deal is, quota or not. They're not arresting people unless they're actually drunk, so no harm no foul.
     
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    Assuming he is correct in this statement they most likely are arresting people who aren't drunk.

    Even if you assume that everyone who was falsely arrested got off in court you still cost innocent people a lot of money fighting it and possibly their job.
     
  11. giantfan1224 macrumors 6502a

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    A quota system does not always mean:

    1. more innocents are arrested.
    2. it is used as a revenue generator.
     
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    Assuming the quotas are low enough that there are more people violating the law than the amount needed to be arrested to meet the quota then you're right on 1.

    For your second point, what other purpose is there for a quota if not to ensure a certain level of revenue to the city or state?
     
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    Ah. Had a reading comprehension fail.

    Yeah, that's a blatant abuse of authority, and they should be raked over the coals for that.
     
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    The roads are crawling with drunk drivers, why the need to arrest the person who isn't?
     
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    Why can't we cut the tie between law enforcement funding and tickets/fines issued?

    IMO, a law enforcement agency should get a dime because they issued a ticket/fine.
     
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    They are? I mean you see them occasionally in the UK. Usually they are driving at less than the speed limit.

    I'm surprised it's so bad in America.

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    Then of course no one gets speeding tickets ;).
     
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    Maybe I missed it, but where in the claim is someone being pressured to make an arrest for DUI when the driver isn't? I just scanned the article and considered the source of the website and would hope readers would think critically about it and see if there's a real problem or if we might being sold a bill of goods.

    If you have a team of 8 traffic enforcement officers on a shift and 6 make 10 DUI arrests a month and 2 make zero, do you think it might indicate a performance issue with these two? It certainly could. And without some standard like averages or some other measurable standard it's hard to hold these two legally accountable for their performance. How do you justify PIP'ing an employee who is a slug or taking steps to rehabilitate a professional skill?
     
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    Look at the quote from the article that I posted in quote 10, the officers who meet their quota and have the higher arrest rates have lower conviction rates which implies that to meet quotas yet are attesting innocent people.
     
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    But also read the rest of your quote...

    Without verifying it you are just taking his word for it. There are times where something seems true, but when you actually look at the numbers it is not. Since no one can look at the numbers, how can we say it is true?
     
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    So the end of arresting DUI drivers justifies the means of hassling innocent citizens?
     
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    I don't know I would agree with that conclusion at all. I'd want to better understand what their conviction criteria is as there are variables to a conviction.

    On the flip side, one could also jump to a conclusion then that those officers not meeting a standard were only arresting extremely impaired drivers and being a slug the rest of the time.
     
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    You are correct, in principle. But, as we have seen, "revenue-focused policing" is a major, documented problem in some areas, such as Ferguson. Any time the police department or city government gets to keep the money collected from fines, or, confiscation of property (discussed in a previous thread), there is a moral hazard-- and, not a theoretical one. We've seen example after example of systematic abuse. Fines and property confiscation should go to the (State, Federal) general fund so that the department in question isn't tempted.
     
  23. giantfan1224 macrumors 6502a

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    To ensure a certain percentage of DUI's are taken off the road during a given night. A quota system based on that would take into account what is believed to be the total percentage of drivers driving under the influence. As that goes up or goes down, the quota should subsequently go up or down.

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    I agree that it's a conflict of interest. A quota system in the expressed interest to generate revenue is wrong and should be illegal.
     

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