Terrorism and the Internet....

[krossfyter]

Terrorism and the Internet are related in two ways. First, the Internet has become a forum for terrorist groups and individual terrorists both to spread their messages of hate and violence and to communicate with one another and with sympathizers. Secondly, individuals and groups have tried to attack computer networks, including those on the Internet ú what has become known as cyberterrorism or cyberwarfare.

At this point, terrorists are using the Internet more than they are attacking it. At least 12 of the 30 groups on the State Department's list of designated foreign terrorist organizations maintain Web sites on the Internet. While U.S. officials believe that some terrorists use encrypted E-mail to plan acts of terrorism, most groups appear to use the Internet to spread their propaganda. Some of these groups have actually participated in hacking our websites and there have been plans to do serious damage to our ree trade economy.



My question is should we get our guys with pony tails, who are obviously more smarter and better equiped at hacking, to screw thie terrorists over and have the american government to give awards to those hackers that uncover a terrorist plot or anything else that leads to thier capture?
Whos for it? Is this a good idea? Or am Is this lame?

 

[jefhatfield]

in the long run, cyberterrorism is america's number one threat

the defense department thinks that white hats could save the day

that is bull****

and in 1941, the defense department thought the battleship was more important than the aircraft carrier

being an american, i am so ashamed at our arrogrance...i am a good techie, not a genius mind you, but i am smart enough to know that the "talent" lives outside of the us

look at who apple, ibm, and oracle are hiring

go to westtech job fair, and you will see, most of the job applicants for the techie jobs are from other countries

so while we rich americans are using our computers to get the high score on a first shooter game, poorer countries like china and india use their computers to code and program...it is their version of gaming per se...i am just in awe of the foreign born IT talent in the silicon valley...larry ellison is so happy to have them, that he has an international menu (with a lot of indian food) at the emerald empire called oracle

 

[stoid]

Originally posted by jefhatfield
being an american, i am so ashamed at our arrogrance...i am a good techie, not a genius mind you, but i am smart enough to know that the "talent" lives outside of the us

look at who apple, ibm, and oracle are hiring

go to westtech job fair, and you will see, most of the job applicants for the techie jobs are from other countries

so while we rich americans are using our computers to get the high score on a first shooter game, poorer countries like china and india use their computers to code and program...it is their version of gaming per se...i am just in awe of the foreign born IT talent in the silicon valley...larry ellison is so happy to have them, that he has an international menu (with a lot of indian food) at the emerald empire called oracle

my thoughts exactly jef, american's are/were really intelligent, and built a society of unparrelleled posperity, my only question is, how long can we sit on our hands, and expect to survive, it seems like education today is not as strong as it once was, howlong will it take for a country that really cares to overpower the US, and what will the reaction be to becoming number 2 in the world, all my life the US has been number 1 in the world by far, but what if...

sorry this post is so depressing ad morbid, I hope no one is offended

 

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by stoid


my thoughts exactly jef, american's are/were really intelligent, and built a society of unparrelleled posperity, my only question is, how long can we sit on our hands, and expect to survive, it seems like education today is not as strong as it once was, howlong will it take for a country that really cares to overpower the US, and what will the reaction be to becoming number 2 in the world, all my life the US has been number 1 in the world by far, but what if...

sorry this post is so depressing ad morbid, I hope no one is offended

for awhile, we shared top dog status militarily with russia and economicially with japan, but we still came out on top

the world's first world power was china, and as they are becomong less communist and more like us and go telecom all the way, they will be the next world power in fifty years but i won't be around to see that anyway but it is my guess from what i have seen since the communist hardliners have been ousted one by one in china

tianamen square was a warning shot and spelled the end of chinese communism...look where your shoes are made, you telephone, or even parts from your computer...it is from a capitalist nation called...china

also, they have done nothing to change hong kong and if anything, it's been the other way around

the chinese have learned from the last two great world empires that influenced them, the us and england

china will, in a sense, be the next great "westernized" power

 

[mac15]

so kill sadam and bin ladin

 

[jefhatfield]

bin laden is dead most likely, but sadaam will be much harder to flush out since he has a nation backing him and an army of 100,000 or more and large weapons, where as bin laden had only small arms and 1,000 followers officially scattered about the globe (maybe up to 50 trained al qaeda in the usa)

world peace is the only real answer since flushing out every terrorist is truly impossible

 

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by jefhatfield
world peace is the only real answer since flushing out every terrorist is truly impossible

Hear, hear!
I pray that when I have children they will not have to see another 911, or chaos like in the Middle-East. The fighting going on between the Israelis and Palestinians is getting worse by the day, and our government, the "International Peacekeepers" that we are, has done nothing since Clinton left office. As far as world peace goes, we need a government with international experience and sensitivity. Americans have been arrogant and elitist for way too long.
How many Americans speak more than one language? I'd be surprised if it was 15%.
Compare that to people from other countries, where multiples languages/dialects are a part of daily life, and you see the trouble we are in.

 

[jefhatfield]

if we had elitism before, it is now gone

we are 1 planet

 

[krossfyter]

to oust saddam... actually would probably be easier then the gulf war and slightly harder than getting rid of the taliban in afghanistan. along with the 100,000 people who follow the punk...he also has that much that want him out in his area. all america has to do is help this people out..by arming them and training them. could be! will see.

 

[krossfyter]

i heard that they tapped/cracked into bin ladens cell phone. now if I can can find out what service he has...

 

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by krossfyter
to oust saddam... actually would probably be easier then the gulf war and slightly harder than getting rid of the taliban in afghanistan. along with the 100,000 people who follow the punk...he also has that much that want him out in his area. all america has to do is help this people out..by arming them and training them. could be! will see.

i think we ousted the taliban, it's now the thing to see how brutal the northern alliance turns out to be

 

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by krossfyter
i heard that they tapped/cracked into bin ladens cell phone. now if I can can find out what service he has...

i am conviced bin's dead, but he's just the tip of the iceberg

he's not any head, just another soldier, who's rich, but out to get us when we are not looking if he's still around someow

kill bin, then ya make him a hero

 

[Beej]

I highly doubt we'll ever seen any proof that bin laden is dead.

But getting back to the topic...
Encouraging the hacking of terrorist websites and the like is kind of like encouraging people to assassinate any political leader the US government happens to find annoying.

 

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by jefhatfield


i am conviced bin's dead, but he's just the tip of the iceberg

he's not any head, just another soldier, who's rich, but out to get us when we are not looking if he's still around someow

kill bin, then ya make him a hero

true but he is a symbol. kill him kill the symbol. to them he is then a hero if he is dead....well screw it he is a hero already. as long as he is gone.

 

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by Beej
I highly doubt we'll ever seen any proof that bin laden is dead.

But getting back to the topic...
Encouraging the hacking of terrorist websites and the like is kind of like encouraging people to assassinate any political leader the US government happens to find annoying.

not really...one deals with death the other deals with no death just screwing with someones space.


thier still alive.

 

[Beej]

What if someone hacks some taliban dude's machine and finds out exactly where bin laden is? The US government will pounce and bang. He's dead. Regardless of whether this is a good or bad thing, information you have provided has led to the death of a human (?).

 

[jefhatfield]

PERSONALLY, on a gut level, toss him off a cliff

but to cut back on future zealous attacks, detain bin laden...forever...secretly

i am sure many thought that charles manson should have been executed, but that would have set off his followers who were not detained...i am sure he had a plan for his flock if he were executed

same goes for son of sam

same goes for bin laden

unfortunately, he is a small part of a bigger problem

 

[krossfyter]

yep.... i really dont care if the son of a beetch is dead or alive but detained by america. so as long as he can never do what he wants again.

 

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by Beej
What if someone hacks some taliban dude's machine and finds out exactly where bin laden is? The US government will pounce and bang. He's dead. Regardless of whether this is a good or bad thing, information you have provided has led to the death of a human (?).

if its bin laden....then why argue!

but i see your point...however, its quite different to have the american government aid americans to assasinate others as opposed to aid them to hack into thier sitnky jihad mainframes.

 

[jefhatfield]

somewhere in this multi-front war, israel will have to cede some of jerusalem...other land just won't do for the long term

jeruslem is the most hotly contested piece of land in the world and sharing it will avoid needless bloodshed for centuries since it is the spiritual seat of three major world religions

 

[evildead]

the internet terrorist

What I don't like is that software pirates and Mp3 traders are being called Terrorists. The Fed. Gov. and lobbyists have been trying to get laws passed to make College kids with Mp3's and over priced hot copies of crappy MS products on their HD, Terrorists. I cant believe that they are lumping real terrorists with a software pirates. Breaking in the to Pentagon computer system has been said to be the same as having a copy of Harry Potter on your Laptop.

What's wrong with people?

 

[Beej]

If having mp3s qualifies me as a terrorist, I'm a big one

 

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by jefhatfield
somewhere in this multi-front war, israel will have to cede some of jerusalem...other land just won't do for the long term

jeruslem is the most hotly contested piece of land in the world and sharing it will avoid needless bloodshed for centuries since it is the spiritual seat of three major world religions

that will never happen. even if it does palestine wont stop there because thier ultimate goal is the iradication of the jew. its about land... a 2000+ year old land issue mind you and about the death of the jew.

this is what i see happening (for real) in the future...

the dome of the rock will be destroyed and the new one built, isreal will launch a nuclear strike into palestiniane territory and the arab poplulation will take a significate hit.


peace will never come from treaties or accords...not not by man.

 

[evildead]

Originally posted by Beej
If having mp3s qualifies me as a terrorist, I'm a big one

hahaha.. yeah.. most of us probably would be ... and the worst part is we probably wouldnt even know it. I cant wait untill any information trasnaction of any kind with the use of the internet will be called an act of Terrorism. We are going to have to start using 3DES encription keys just to get in to macrumors.com and fight about Apple PDA's

 

[748s]

some interesting comments about a number of subjects. the sad thing is the tone of most of them will ensure history will repeat. i'm always amazed at the contradictions of your society. calling for world peace and a new world order, yet hollywood churns out killfest after killfest as entertainment. a porn industry that is held in high regard because it is good for the economy. you murder each other daily, on a scale unprecedented in other countries. the foreign policy of the usa treats other nations as ****. usa goverments and companies have slaughtered citizens of other countries without a second thought. it scares the **** out of me that your country could easily destroy the world with your piles of weapons of mass destruction. there are none so blind as those who will not see.