Thanksgiving 2014: The Diamond Jubilee of Republican Obstructionism

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  1. vrDrew macrumors 65816

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    We might think that Republicans started being world-class asshats the days Barack and Michelle moved into the White House.

    But they've been making the world unpleasant since your Grandparents were little 'uns.

    Way back in 1939, with the US still trying to work its way out of the Great Depression, Franklin Roosevelt heeded the request of retailers, and moved Thanksgiving up a week (from the fifth Thursday in November to the fourth) to lengthen the Holiday shopping season.

    Of course, Republicans reacted as you might expect.

    I'm quite certain that seventy five years from now, when most of us are dead and buried, our grandchildren will find the "outrage" of Ted Cruz and John Boehner just as comical and pathetic.
     
  2. TimelessOne macrumors regular

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    Honestly I would rather Thanksgiving just be on the last Thursday of the month. No matter what.
     
  3. astrorider macrumors 6502

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    Don't know, this looks more like an example of a Democrat going against the will of the people because he thinks he knows better, and then being proven wrong.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franksgiving
     
  4. Ugg macrumors 68000

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    So, is he still wrong?
     
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    Yup. Another example of people screaming about absolutely nothing like it's the end of the world. Yet despite all the fretting, wailing, and gnashing of teeth...here we are. Thanksgiving is still Thanksgiving, even if it is a week earlier.
     
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    Democrats, Republicans... :rolleyes:

    The Corporations are the real ones in charge now.

    They are now OPEN on Thanksgiving with the sales. Some stores have started special sales last Sunday.

    You"ll get fired for not showing up if your scheduled to work Thanksgiving no matter who's in Office... :eek:
     
  7. adroit macrumors 6502

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    How about the 2nd Monday of October?
     
  8. TimelessOne macrumors regular

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    Let's face it what this shows is how long politicians have been bought and paid for.
     
  9. sim667 macrumors 65816

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    Well lets be honest, why the heck are you lot celebrating a historic event that is able to have its date changed on a whim according to economic pressures

    :rolleyes:
     
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    Would that be the same Democrat Franklin Roosevelt who put Japanese Americans in concentration camps?

    The Democrat Party: When they're not enslaving people based on the color of their skin, they incarcerating them based on where their parents came from.
     
  11. bradl macrumors 68040

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    Ahem. Great Southern Strategy in effect. Our Democrats now were Republicans back then. Our Republicans now were Democrats back then.

    You may want to have a read of that link. You will find yourself highly educated and informed about our political ideologies back then, as you find yourself commenting with improper presumptions.

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    So I read the link and am unimpressed. Nothing in it comes close to proving the GOP as a party was focused on exploiting race tensions to win elections. Certainly not when compared to the cynical Southern Strategy practiced by JFK when he picked a known racist in LBJ to be his VP.
     
  13. bradl macrumors 68040

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    And you miss the entire point completely.

    The point is: During the 1968 POTUS election campaigns, there was a shift in political ideologies with the people in this country. Those who were pushing to improve race relations were happy with the way that the Democrats were coming about, so that matched their ideologies. They shifted to that party. Those who were disenchanted from the changes going on in the Democratic party shifted allegiances, to become Republicans.

    Prior to that election, those allegiances were reversed. Applying that to 1939, those people who would turn to become modern-day Democrats were Republicans. Those who would turn to become modern-day Republicans were Democrats.

    Race has nothing to do with it; it is the shift in political ideologies that made your post about Democrats enslaving people wrong.

    But I digress; Please list for us which people today's Democrats have enslaved.

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    And you still haven't proved your point. What happened in the South was the result of a successful Southernization Strategy in which Republicans were able to bring into the tent those in the South for whom religious conservatism, patriotism, etc. were important values. Those values have always been strong in the GOP, so they haven't changed positions with the Democrats.
     
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    Explain this: If those values are so important, why did those who support segregation switch parties after the Civil Rights Act was passed?

    Interesting, isn't it, that Strom Thurmond started out as a Democrat, then all of a sudden in 1964, switched to being a Republican until he died? Not only that, but opposed Civil rights laws to end segregation and laws to enforce constitutional rights to Blacks, including the right to vote? And that was as a Democrat.

    When LBJ (a Democrat) signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, he and others sharing his views switched parties, and carried those views and ideologies with him. That certainly was the exact opposite of what Lincoln did for that party back in the 1860s.

    From Wiki:

    Many others were the same way. However, the misconnect here is that this issue (Thanksgiving) isn't about race; it is about who was in charge at the time and their political views. The parties involved do not share the same political views as they had back then. They were the exact opposite. Proof of that is in our history books. You may want to have a re-read of those.

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    Easy. The 60's were also the decade when the Democrat party began its swerve way to the left. It became the party of Jane Fonda, hippies, and Commie lovers. Southerners who might hate Republicans because they made it possible to pass the Civil rights act over Democrat obstructionism, decided in their patriotic zeal that they loved America more than they hated the GOP, so they switched parties.

    Are you saying LBJ wasn't an openly rabid racist? And it was the Republican party that was all-in for passing the Civil Rights Act of 1964, get your story straight:

    Vote totals
    Totals are in "Yea–Nay" format:

    By party
    The original House version:
    Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
    Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)

    Cloture in the Senate:
    Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
    Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

    The Senate version:
    Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
    Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

    The Senate version, voted on by the House:
    Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
    Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)​

    Point of interest: Senator Robert Byrd, ex-KKK member and Democrat, filibustered against the Civil Rights Act and yet Democrats called him the "Conscience of the Senate".
     
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    How exactly did the democrats move way to the left in the 1960s?
     
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    We are experiencing the Greatest Dumbing Down period the country has ever experienced. I could hold up the mid 1800s when the Civil War tore this country apart, but that was arguably a process of moving forward. Since the 1960s, the conservative forces have been congealing for the great pushback. Unfortunately this is a crucial moment in history where more than ever we can't afford this kind of internal strife. Here's to hoping we survive it.

    Why is that?
     
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    FDR in many ways was among the last, if not the last great American president. You wont here any Republicans much less the Reagonauts that try to discredit FDR saying that however.
     
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    Pray tell, why do you think FDR was the greatest American president?
     
  21. orestes1984, Dec 3, 2014
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    He had an idea and actually wanted to do good things for America, he believed in the necessary reforms that would have solved the conversations you're having now 70 years after the facts. There have been few Presidents since FDR that have been willing to put forward real reform and to stand on the conviction of what they believe in and what is best for the United States.

    He established The USA again as the world leader economically, diplomatically and militarily. He became the first real world leader and used that for The USA for good. His effort to "pack" the supreme court was the best political move of contemporary times before other presidents took the SCOTUS seriously.

    • He Created child labor laws.
    • Created welfare for the poor.
    • Abolished prohibition.
    • Employed 2 million people via the Works Progress administration.
    • Created social security.
    • Established the public works administration which built many of the roads, bridges, hospitals and schools the United States have today via the New Deal reforms.
    • He rebuilt America ground up and actually built America out of recession and proved the Keynesian market actually worked.
    • He Championed the National Labor Relations act which gave workers the right to unionised and engage in collective bargaining and strike.
    • He Regulated Wall Street via the SEC.
    • He Created the FDIC, so people would feel confident putting their money in banks.
    • He Reduced unemployment from more than 20% to less than 2% thanks largely to FDR reform programs.
    • He got America through through WWII and was a world leader that was actually respected.
    • He broke the back of the Great Depression.
    • He wanted to create a universal healthcare system.

    He stood for great American values that have long since been forgotten.
     
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    Wrong
     
  23. orestes1984, Dec 3, 2014
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    If I read another paper about some neocon agenda to discredit Keynesian economics I think I'm gonna cry, particularly given the WONDERFUL success that the world is having at the moment with austerity. Your argument is old and hashed out and given the "success" of the open market it has about as much credibility as the garbage can from which you pulled it from.

    The problem with your argument is that it's been built on an even more farcical joke than the open market and the credit economy, it's built on the concept that austerity actually works which is a complete and utter load of crap.

    If you want a reason why Keynesianism actually works look at the OECD figures on Australia's unprecedented 20 year growth despite the financial crisis. FDR was years ahead of his time. Market forces are a load of crap.
     
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    What a laugher!

    How do Dem's reconcile criticizing Rep's when Hold-'em-up Harry Reid continues to do the bidding of POTUS (I can't bear to even say his name.) by stonewalling every piece of legislation that comes near the Senate.

    Sail on, Oh ship of State!
     
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    If you can openly say the current group of Republicans aren't perhaps the most obstructionist government in the history of the United States with a straight face, you deserve a medal.
     

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