The 2A Debate - Diving a little deeper...

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  1. samcraig macrumors P6

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    Musing....

    Let's take a step back on the 2A "debate." Let me ask those defending it so staunchly -why does hunting so often frame the gun control debate?

    It seems to me that a weapon's appropriateness for hunting is a litmus test used by gun control advocates. The 2nd Amendment is certainly open for debate. But, what interpretation suggests that hunting is a Constitutionally protected right?

    Perhaps the debate itself is flawed. As we know, the 2A refers to "A Well Regulated Militia..." Instead of focusing directly on guns, maybe it's more appropriate to pass legislation that defines what qualifies as a militia. That's the litmus test.

    We could then "well regulate" these groups. The regulations would include registration, training, audit and insurance requirements.

    Groups would be required to perform background checks and screen their members. They would be liable for their members' activity. Guns not registered to a regulated militia could be legally confiscated by the government.
     
  2. yaxomoxay macrumors 68040

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    Isn’t hunting a state right? (I.e. Federal government has no jurisdiction)
     
  3. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    Pretty sure I've said that gun laws should/need to be across state borders - otherwise, what's the point?
     
  4. yaxomoxay macrumors 68040

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    If I understand what you’re saying I don’t think it’s possible due to conflicting jurisdictions. That’s why on the other thread I asked - and I am honestly curious - how can the feds regulate the sale of accessories, especially if they are sold within the state.
     
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    Yes they should but it's not going to happen. Each state thinks THEY have the best laws for everyone else. I prefer gridlock since liberals only want it their way
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    I am a militia of one. Prove otherwise
     
  6. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    Well you are a menace to society ;)
     
  7. yaxomoxay macrumors 68040

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    There should be an amendment to amend jkcerda.
     
  8. jkcerda macrumors 6502a

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    And there is no real way to regulate me or the gazillion other gun owners out there
     
  9. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    There actually is. You just wouldn't like it.
     
  10. Gutwrench Contributor

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    I’m a supporter of the Second Amendment and reasonable legislation but not a hunter yet I grew up on a farm in rural Iowa.
    Btw LLIF! (Lookiut liver it’s Friday!)
     
  11. jkcerda macrumors 6502a

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    Ok. Let's hear it.
     
  12. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    Laws could be passed. The constitution could be amended. You could wind up in some other legal trouble and they could search/seize the guns you have. Lots of ways YOU could be "regulated." Just use your imagination :)
     
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    Yeah. That's how the war on drugs was won.......:rolleyes:
    Over 300 MILLION guns out there and those are just the registered ones
     
  14. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    Deflection. You asked how you could be regulated. YOU. I provided some scenarios. I think you meant to write "Oh - yeah.. that's true for me or one person - but what about the others?"
     
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    Sorry. I should have said FEASIBLE scenarios. Not feel good dreams. Carry on
     
  16. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    I am sure years ago, no one would say gays could marry and women and black people could vote. I am sure they thought none of that would ever be feasible. It might take time - and true- you might be LONG gone by then... but I wouldn't say it's never going to happen.
     
  17. Zenithal macrumors G3

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    Might need a rabbi for that.

    Or one of those people who remove evil spirits from others. Can't think of the word at the moment.

    Edit: Exorcist.
     
  18. yaxomoxay macrumors 68040

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    Correction: exorcists remove jkcerdas from others.
     
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    I'm not trying to stop you from debating this topic.

    However, the Supreme Court already decided (5-4) that the right to bear arms exists outside of being a part of a militia in DC v. Heller (https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZD.html).
     
  20. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    Might be time to go back to court :)
     
  21. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Court is even more conservative than ever.

    I think you're going to have to wait about 10-20 years and hope the composition changes to something more in our favor.
     
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    did you know Obama & the democrats had 2 whole years in control ? what happened? nothing? ok thanks.
     
  23. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    And your point is what? Oh. Right. Deflection. It's an issue. And it shouldn't be a D v R issue. It's a humanitarian issue.
     
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    Regardless we all know you don't have to be in a militia for the 2nd to apply. ...The right of "the People" to keep in bear arms shall not be infringe.

    In order to have a well regulated militia people have to have access to arms first. Liberals know this, they usually have some reading ability...they try to twist it on purpose because they don't like the 2nd amendment.
     
  25. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    The irony of your post.
     

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