The Atlantic fires Kevin Williamson

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  1. Rogifan macrumors Core

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    Jeffrey Goldberg is a coward who bowed to pressure from the mob. No one demands ideological purity more than the Left. I’m no fan of Fox News and never watch it but if anyone wonders why it exists this is why. Mainstream publications don’t want diversity of thought unless it’s center-right thinkers who move left. Disgusting.

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    Williamson said that women who have abortions should be hanged. He never should have been hired in the first place.
     
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    Kevin Williamson's views are what's disgusting. They were under no obligation to keep an extremist like that in their ranks.
     
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    His views were well known when they hired him. He was fired because Jeffrey Goldberg is a coward who wouldn’t stand up to the left wing mob.
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    And Dick Durbin compared US soldiers to Nazi’s but yet he’s still a senator in a leadership position in the Democrat party. There are many on the Left who are provocative and have said things that offend yet somehow they don’t get run out of publications. Christopher Hitchens comes to mind.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/03/mother-teresa-christopher-hitchens-charity-catholic-church/

    Or Ruth Marcus saying babies with Down syndrome should be aborted. Don’t remember seeing much mainstream media outrage over that.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...aac364-23d6-11e8-94da-ebf9d112159c_story.html
     
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    The difference is that a conservative outlet probably wouldn't have hired someone like Hitchens or someone who likened U.S. soldiers to Nazis in the first place. It's taking the chance that presents the later possibility of looking like "thought police". It seems they wished to attribute his problematic tweet to a one-off, which would've been acceptable to them, but were unable to do so in light of later evidence. Don't get me wrong, I couldn't give two s***s about "ideological purity". I've been hounded by SJWs for claiming that non-white people can be racist, for crying out loud. But this involves a more extreme position and if they don't feel someone with repugnant views like that belongs with them, so be it.

    The desire for ideological purity is present on both sides, of course. Look at the way people are labeled RINO or dismissed as a "cuck" for betraying the alt-right vision. I'd rather see less extremism all around. And part of that is not indulging people like Williamson.
     
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    So, you like torture?
     
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    Dick Durbin is held accountable by voters. Williamson and his ilk (on the right or left) are free to speak their minds but their employers are also free to fire them, this is more a free market thing in my view and one I think both sides can agree on.
     
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    Durbin was right, and Marcus said no such thing.
     
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    The only issue I take with Durbin on that statement was that he apologized for it afterward.
     
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    Or, Goldberg decided that Williamson had misrepresented himself, and that his tweet was not a heat-of-the-moment comment, but rather a carefully considered idea.

    Further, just because Durbin said something idiotic, or that Hitchens was a drunken ******* does not mean that Williamson should get a job at the Atlantic. That's a non sequitur pretending to be an argument about hypocrisy.
     
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    Kevin Williamson was hired for his talent, fired for his views. That should scare any liberal. Goldberg’s excuse for firing him is pathetic. Goldberg knew exactly what he was getting. But the liberal mob doesn’t want diversity of thought (even very provocative thought).
     
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    The implication that a company is not allowed to fire someone they deem no longer fit for the job is a far worse precedent. Conservatives love the free market until it upsets their own apple cart.
     
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    It's getting harder to scare liberals, if it was ever easy. Liberals are not scared by the idea of a magazine just making its own firing decisions. If someone in the US government reached in and told The Atlantic to promote or dismiss a writer over his views, that would be different. That would be more like... what Donald Trump would like to be able to do.

    Every magazine has editorial policies, and some of them may be implicit. Editors get to say where the lines are. Publishers have some input as well, and paying subscribers occasionally provide some straw that breaks the camel's back.

    But editors are the first line of "hmm... not quite our cup of tea." People with talent land on their feet. Margaret Sullivan didn't quite fit at the NYT and to me it was unclear whether that was because of the managing editor or the nature of the current public whose advocacy she was (perhaps impossibly) supposed to uphold. Now she's got a different sort of slot at the Washington Post as their media columnist. We can second-guess the past but life doesn't run backward. Kevin Williamson will find another venue to spout his stuff. Anyway it's a season of wearing dismissals like badges of honor in a surprising variety of circles.
     
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    Meh he wasn’t there long enough to be deemed unfit. These aren’t new comments. Goldberg couldn’t take the heat from the liberal mob. Period.
     
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    ^ This. Another way to look at this from the Conservative side may be to consider Keith Olbermann's release from MSNBC, also quite talented but had a penchant for outrageous and sometimes highly inappropriate comments, so they let him go. In the end, it's really up to them and we should all be backing their freedom to choose who they want to hire and fire.
     
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    Oh please. If the left wing mob on social media hadn’t lost their minds over him being hired he would never have been fired. Goldberg is a wuss. And he’s obviously fine with The Atlantic being considered a 100% left wing publication.
     
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    Let me know when the National Review hires someone like Ezra Klein. And, increasingly, the narrative is that so-called left organizations should seek a diversity of thought, but there's no call to do the same thing at the NRO or Fox News.

    Either diversity of thought is important or it is not, but really, the point of magazines is often partisanship, so to create some notion of "fair and balanced" seems like rhetoric deigned to embarrass liberal organizations into hiring conservatives.

    That said, if Goldberg fired Williamson only because of the reaction for his abortion comments, then he failed as an editor. He should have stuck by Williamson's work.

    However, if Williamson misrepresented himself in some fashion to Goldberg and other editors, well that's tough cookies dude.
     
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    No, he was also hired for his views. Whether Goldberg knew about the abortion comments and how frequently Williamson had expressed them before hiring him or not, he screwed up. Yes, this is a mess that Goldberg bears responsibility for, but Williamson should never have been hired in the first place. If the Atlantic is looking to diversify their points of view, there are plenty of good conservative writers who don't want to hang innocent women.
     
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    Not to drift too far off topic but I found that bit from your original post to be startling. It is in fact the Republican Party that has been engaged in a constant struggle with ideological puritans in its own ranks for decades. You need look no further than the GOP's current leadership to see examples of cowardice in the face of pressure from the far right. For example they don't wait in upstate New York for a blue dog Democrat to take out a moderate Republican in a House contest. They try to take him out themselves by primarying him from the right. When they win enough times then they lose to the blue dog in the November contest. We've seen for at least six years the spectacle of a GOP House majority led around by the nose with the House Freedom Caucus holding the leash. They are walking into a cul de sac from which there's probably no exit save abandoning the corrupted banner of the Republican Party and so proclaiming the establishment Conservatives as America's mainstream alternative to the Democrats. But make no mistake, the problem is ideological purity demands being made by the far right upon the GOP. They know how to win but not how to govern. They know how to bait but not how to negotiate. They are doomed to become the losers for running a my way or highway sort of game in a democracy.

    To return to related aspects of your thread, I would reiterate that Goldberg had every right to change his mind about the suitability of Kevin Williamson for the readership of The Atlantic. It wasn't about "heat from the liberal mob" in the way McConnell feels heat from the far right tuning up his own Senate campaigns. It was, as Goldberg indicated, about Williamson's exposition of his views in conversations with Goldberg about that tweet. What Goldberg heard was enough to make him decide The Atlantic was not going to be a suitable home for Williamson's writings, talent and The Atlantic's tolerance for diverse views notwithstanding.
     
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    would you read the atlantic if it wasn't?
     
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    Just because he's smart enough to recognize Trump for the clown he is doesn't make David Frum "left wing."
     
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    Many Conservatives from that time do not support Trump and Frum is a right-wing hardliner from the GW Bush era. In some ways it's nice to see members of the GOP breaking from each other on Trump.
     
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    Why are we supposed to care what the Atlantic does?
     
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    because it's fun to read?
     
  25. Rogifan thread starter macrumors Core

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    Here’s just a sample of what The Atlantic deems fit to run about abortion.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2017/02/22-weeks/515295/
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    David Frum is nothing close to a conservative.
     

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