The Brutal (and Fact-Checked) Numbers on Killing Obamacare

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  1. dogslobber macrumors 68020

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  2. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    DS, I agree with you that repealing Obamacare without replacing it with something that meets or exceeds the needs of the people is criminal. But politicians rarely are held responsible for laws that hurt the average citizen. This is going to be a sad episode in American history, where we suffer at the hand of cynical leaders, who care far more about power than governance.

    Unfortunately, there's little that can be done to stop them. We will just have to hope the effects of their greed compel citizens to rethink the decisions they've made, and help to rebuild a system that serves their needs first.
     
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    You will have another chance to enact laws in 8 years, until then the dumpster fire called Obamacare gots to go.

    Forcing people to buy a private product should have been ruled unconstitutional from the get go.
     
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    I agree. Better to just tax us all up front.

    But Americans ... we can't do things the normal way.
     
  6. dogslobber thread starter macrumors 68020

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    You want to steal healthcare away from 20m Americans? Really?!?
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    I said to Mrs dogslobber earlier tonight that Obama's successor will have his purple patch but it won't belong before he learns being the US President isn't about how well you can write 140 chars. This guy actually has to be this country's ruler for the next four years. It's a terrifying thought.
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    Healthcare should never be a "private product". It should be funded centrally by the state from our taxes.
     
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    Okay so why do you want to force more people into the pockets of the healthcare insurance industry again?
     
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    Like the VA? No thanks.
     
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    Ironic. Conservatives complain (rightfully so) that they couldn't keep their plan or their doctors but now want to make it so people cannot keep their plans or keep their doctors. So hypocritical.

    Because people...all people, make use of the healthcare system in their lives. If we aren't going to have single payer in this country like you do in Canada, then by necessity our system must be a blend that involves insurers. That's why.
     
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    Because tens of millions of Americans were without healthcare, it was taking up about twice the GDP of other industrialized nations, and conservatives thought Universal Healthcare was socialism.

    It's amazing how quickly you've forgotten.
     
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    Health Exchanges are the means to which insurance is currently offered. In the long run, only government can bring health costs under control by being the largest user of health insurance and having the wherewithal to barter for lower cost and more quality health coverage for all. Anti-AHA people simply don't grasp this fundamental aspect as they're too stubborn or ill-equipped to understand it. State governments which failed to properly implement the Exchanges are typically Republican and squealing the loudest now.

    You don't get anything useful out of a Republican controlled state.
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    Your mode of thinking is the root of the problem for a lot of Republicans. In the long run, socialist healthcare is the best of all but it has to be managed properly and financed efficiently. Your real point about the VA is squarely focused on these two aspects of poor management and under-funding. Don't associate that with the AHA with VA as they're separate.

    You will note that the states with the most terrible VA hospitals are in Republican controlled states. You don't get anything useful out of a Republican controlled state.
     
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    Unsustainable because the GOP has done everything they could to kill the measure and refused to take any steps to improve the law.

    It's unsustainable because of the calculated acts intended to destroy it.
     
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    Not even close. And the Pelosi quote is false as well.

    I have lost faith in people's ability to take in, assess and comprehend basic information.

    And you are just another example of that.
     
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    How quickly the left forgets.

    "We have to pass the bill do you can find out what is in it."



    Thanks Nancy. How about you tell us what's in it, get the support of the people, debate in a bipartisan manner and get support from both sides?

    No. We have to pass it to find out what's in it, and because we don't need any republican votes, we won't be discussing it with you first.
     
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    If you're so jolly to axe the healthcare of 30 million people then you're a terrible person.
     
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    I don't think repealing Obamacare goes far enough. We also need to reform Medicare and we need to repeal EMTALA. Then we will have something that resembles healthcare reform.
     
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    I just don't know if any governments will really tackle the problems. The drug prices, overpaid CEOs, complicated plans, out of network surprise bills, etc.

    It's crazy that I can remember calling a doctor and my insurance and be told "Yes, you'll be covered" then get a $400 bill for it being out of network. I was even told at the doctors office I must have "Great insurance" because I had no copay. I was concerned about that and called my insurance. They said "You're good. It's covered.".

    The thing that makes me angry is the fine for not being able to afford the healthcare. The amount of subsidy is maxed at a certain amount so if you're in a network where even high deductibles cost more than the subsidies, it can be the downfall financially for many. So they're stuck between the fine and not being able to afford necessities.
     
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    Forcing people to suffer and die because insurance companies need to get rich is really a better solution.
     
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    Let's be careful here. It took 8 months after the plan was initially proposed before Obama signed ACA into law. The end result was still a disaster because, you know, liberals were involved.

    Now, republicans are talking about rushing some legislation to replace ACA. I have very little faith that government can get anything right, especially when they rush. I want them to fix healthcare once and for all. They need to reform medicare, axe EMTALA and blow up anything remotely resembling any kind of subsidy funded by the government.

    The republicans have a once in a generation opportunity here. I don't want them to mess it up.
     
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    So you don't want to pay for a young 23 year old girl's cancer treatment? What about the father of two children who was recently laid off who had a heart attack without health care to cover it? Despite it being painfully obvious, I will remind you that not everyone has walked the same path in life as you. Not everyone has the same opportunities to guarantee coverage that you have.

    If you would condemn people to suffering and death in the most technologically advanced and wealthy country in the history of all humanity because they can't afford treatment, then you're abhorrent and frankly I am disgusted to have to breathe the same air and walk on the same earth as you.
     

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