the case against religion

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by jkcerda, May 30, 2015.

  1. jkcerda macrumors 6502

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    On Islam

    pretty valid points on both counts, what say you?
     
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    {SNIP} This is nothing but troll bait to muck with those of faith.

    Go about your business and let them go about theirs.
     
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    If life was that simple there would be no states trying to ban or fighting against gays getting married . Islam seems to be a real issue in Europe
     
  5. Sydde macrumors 68020

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    We get it, this guy gives you wood. Just, keep it to yourself.
     
  6. Populism macrumors regular

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    Ease up, killa. Not too long ago you expressed...

    So is your problem with the current thread that it goes after 'religion', or is it that it goes broader than just Christianity?

    Perhaps it'd been ok if he'd jest left in the part dogging Christianity, huh?
     
  7. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Who is "we "?

    Are you unable to address anything on the videos? Is he that Spot on that you resort to an ad hominem attack?
     
  8. Sydde macrumors 68020

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    No, because they were unwatchable. The guy just has nothing to offer other than some stale bile.
     
  9. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I watched both w/o any issues , he offered the truth in both.
     
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    He offers his opinion on certain aspects of organised religion.
    There is nothing of any value or any new content there.

    His babbling is about as insightful as starring into a toilet bowl.
     
  11. sim667 macrumors 65816

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    Its an issue because they make it an issue in the media..... Its about skin colour.
     
  12. ChrisWB macrumors 6502

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    Y'know that crazy uncle that everyone seems to have? The one that sends fanatical political videos to everyone in the family?
     
  13. caesarp macrumors 6502a

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    Relax. He's anti-islam, which is understandable since 99% of the times you read about organized groups blowing up stuff to make an international point about their religion, its muslims.

    I suppose if there were organized internationally funded groups that, in the name of jesus, were flying planes into buildings, trying to take over countries militarily and impose a theocracy subject to medieval laws, and constantly in the news for killing civilians and terrorizing people, there would be plenty of people who were just as anti-Christian (yes, I know there are people already who are anti- any religion, but its not the same thing to be intellectually opposed to religion in general as opposed to religions that do horrible things).
     
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    Religions don't do horrible things - people do horrible things.
     
  15. kolax macrumors G3

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    Religion being enforced on people at state level does horrible things.
     
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    People do horrible things. 'Religion' is an abstract term for a variety of concepts, it's not a people. Abstract concepts do not commit any acts.
     
  17. caesarp macrumors 6502a

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    And sometimes religious people acting, so they think, on behalf of their religion or god, do horrible things. And religions, if defined by their leadership, the pope, bishops, etc., have done horrible things.
     
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    You obviously have a hard time understanding the difference between an actual person and an abstract concept ...
     
  19. caesarp macrumors 6502a

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    So Germany didn't do horrible things during 1933 to 1945. It was all individual acts, none of it was the German state? No -- you can't deconstruct the leadership of an entity (abstract or not) from acts performed in its name from the highest level. Countries are defined by fake boundaries -- they are creations -- I don't see any line in the actual earth, those lines on maps are not real. Corporations are made up things too (as our religions). All can do bad things.

    Similarly when the pope or bishops or mullahs issue edicts that require horrible deeds that are carried out in the name of that religion, one can justifiably say its the religion doing a horrible thing (not just the individual). So I think you have to analyze where it comes from. Does it come from an individual's own initiative, or is it decreed from the leadership levels.

    The crusades, the inquisition, pograms, the pope and his minions helping Nazis escape after WWII, can all be tied back to the religion itself. Religions don't exist in vacuums, they have leaders too.
     
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    so in your view, no one ever acts on behalf of an organization? Religions are organizations, they have leadership and they have rules. When the pope does something, he's doing it not just for himself, but for the catholic church as a whole. No, you can't let religion off the hook, when it has a hierarchy of priests, leaders, etc., that dictate to the masses the rules. And if they dictate bad things that the masses do, the organization as a whole takes some blame, not just the minions that carry it out on behalf of the organization.

    If religion is so abstract, then get rid of its property tax exemption in the U.S. Why should an abstract concept have property tax exemptions?
     
  21. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502

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    religion has no skin coour
     
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    There needs to be made the distinction between the leaders of a religion calling for actions, and individuals who choose to act based on their own (often wrong) interpretations of the religion. The Inquisition, without question, was an official act of a certain religion in that period. On the other hand when a Catholic kills an abortion doctor - in direct contradiction of the Church's order to not kill - then you can't blame the religion. It is the individual's responsibility at that point.
     
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    Nations, religions, corporations and organizations are not people.
    Individual people act and they, and they alone, are responsible for their actions. No cheap excuses!

    The Inquisition was committed by individual people and they alone are responsible.
    People do not commit evil acts because their religion/nation/(insert abstract entity here) made them do it. They commit evil acts because they enjoy harming others.
     
  24. caesarp macrumors 6502a

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    Sure. Blame just an individual only when it's convenient. And sometimes people do commit horrible acts because their leaders in their organization tell them or ask them to. Let's also ignore the Christian concept of original sin then. Why should humanity be responsible for Adam's original sin? Heck Adam is solely responsible, not humanity.
     

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