The collapse of the EU approaches

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  1. aaronvan Suspended

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    Boris is calling for a Brexit.

    Are the Brits finally tired of subsuming their freedoms to a gaggle of horse-eating, snail-slurping, wine-sipping bureaucrats in Brussels?
     
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    Even in America, anti-globalists are supporting Trump while sipping their snails while listening to the guy who is wearing "Make America great again" clothing made in Mexico and China, because he's not had a chance to build a clothing factory in America and to get workers with wages that allow the workers to be #free too.

    Makes ya wonder why so many countries want to go into isolation mode... did the great globalization experiment fail? Why or why not? Where is the main cause? Even China is blaming the West while the West is blaming China, but Cook, Gates, and others all seem to think China is the sole future but let's also overlook corporate welfare and H1B abuse given to these companies meddling in other countries by "developing" them while the "developed" ones have also recently been pointed at as being less developed than the "developing" ones as to why they don't want to hire or develop here... (And yes, we all make sweeping generalizations at times, even the media articles do. But I know people that say they trust corporations as much as they do government... must be fun living in a constant state of paranoia?)
     
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    Globalization has eradicated good paying jobs in America, where once an ordinary man could work hard in, say, the factory or manufacturing sector, and trivially be able to house, cloth and feed his family. America does indeed need to be made great again and furnish more for its inhabitants to do than flipping burgers for a pittance.
     
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    Britain voting to leave the EU would end up being a disaster for that country.

    The reality of the situation is that Britain currently gets the best of both worlds. It gets to trade freely with the largest single market in the world - and unlike France; Germany and Italy - it gets to do so while maintaining 100% control over its own currency, the Pound. This means, in very simple terms, that the Bank of England gets to control interest rates and exchange rates as a lever to manage Britain's economy in a way that the Bundesbank simply cannot.

    A Britain out of the EU, by way of contrast, will find itself the loser in a global game of Musical Chairs (Stuhl-Polonaise, in delightful German terms) - not big enough, on its own, to be a functional market in aerospace; automobiles; engineering; consumer electronics; financial services; and the like. And its not the United States.

    There are a number of issues where I disagree with David Cameron. But the reality is that his brand of economic Tory conservatism, blended with the strong social safety net and support for a vibrant free-enterprise system - is probably closer to that of Barack Obama than any other politician. Barack Obama would see Britain's exit from the EU as bad for Britain; bad for Europe; and bad for the USA - which needs a Britain with feet on both sides of the Atlantic.

    Britain in the EU is good for Apple. Its good for General Electric; Boeing; Goldman Sachs; and probably a million other US and UK businesses.
     
  6. sim667 macrumors 65816

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    Not in there entirety. Some of us value the EU, and there's many reasons to.

    No-one cares about BoJo
     
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    I actually thought last night "BoJo is just Britains Trump"
     
  8. vrDrew macrumors 65816

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    The main argument for an exit of Britain from the EU revolves around Sovereignty. That Britain is somehow diminished by surrendering a portion of its control to foreign bureaucrats. But, as the Economist article referenced above points out:

     
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    That's been the price. It's been well worth paying though.

    We probably need some socialism (and possibly some reduction in regulation) in the West to restore that balance for the poor/lower middle classes here.
     
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    Brexit is likely to entail not only the withdrawal of the UK from the EU, but Scotland from the UK.

    I am a US citizen living in the UK, so perhaps I have no right to comment. However, it seems to me that some in the UK are just as angry and xenophobic as some in the US, and it drives them to short-sighted self-defeating actions. Mind you, the Italian banks are about to implode, resulting in more Eurozone bailouts, so this could get interesting.
     
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    Right because my understanding is that Scotland does want to remain in the EU. Brexit would probably be the tipping point in a new referendum on Scotland's departure from UK?
     
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    Certainly the SNP (Scottish Nationalist Party) are already manoeuvring in this regard. Not everybody in Scotland is an EU fan, but a sizeable majority are. if the Brexit vote highlights once again that no matter how popular a given policy is in Scotland, that it will be overruled by the English majority, there will demands for another referendum for Scottish succession from the UK. And this time it would be odd to have the UK government argue to the Scots that 'we're better together' if the same government breaks away from the EU. The odd thing is that many people I know in England hate the EU but don't understand why Scottish people might want to be independent of the UK.
     
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    And they probably drink Chardonnay... or I suppose that would be Freedom Fizz.
     
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    So refreshing to hear Cameron openly defending and campaigning for EU membership. It is as if common sense suddenly got into the Commons.
     
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    He's probably relieved to be in the papers for something besides cutting benefits...
     
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    I'd never buy a used car from a man sipping Chardonnay.
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    PSRI is still a free-speech zone last time I checked. I haven't lived in the U.K. for thirty years and that doesn't stop me from generously providing my wit & wisdom to the Cousins.
     
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    Collapse? Because a country that barely wanted to be in it and caused more problems then solved is leaving it? Sure

    Btw whats wrong with wine & horse? Both taste great .
     
  19. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    ^^ the issue is that the French are barely less pro-EU than we are.
     
  20. ActionableMango, Feb 22, 2016
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    My feeling is that Brexit is just a bluff upon the EU so that Britain can get better terms while renegotiating existing EU treaties. Similar to how the Scottish independence referendum didn't pass, but did result in a lot of concessions that the Scots wanted to gain from independence.

    But I am not British nor do I live in the EU so perhaps my understanding is misguided.
     
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    Trump 2016
     
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    What's trump going to do? How's he going to stop globalisation which has bought prosperity to billions?
     
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    If he can stop the export of manufacturing jobs by hook or crook he'd be the best president in the last 40 years. Repealing NAFTA and killing the TPP would be a good start not to mention slapping import tariffs on corporate inversions and "American" corporations that build and book most of their profits overseas.

    IMHO a 20% tax on anything coming to the states that could be manufactured here is a step in the right direction but in order to do that we need to make stuff that the rest of the world wants.
     

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