The Compromise

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Thomas Veil, Dec 6, 2010.

  1. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    Really. This is the best deal we could get?

    I know we needed to extend unemployment benefits, but really, that shouldn't have been tied to anything. It should have been passed simply because it was the right thing to do.

    And you can make the point that this is not the time to eliminate the tax cuts for the middle class.

    But the other stuff, the tax cut for the rich, the estate tax deal...

    Excuse me, Republicans...aren't you the deficit hawks who complained bitterly about the cost of the stimulus?? And you pushed the cost of this past that?? Are you people for real?

    No. The wrong thing to do is to keep giving in, moving this country farther and farther to the right. At what point do we say "Enough!"? :mad:
     
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    How the hell can Obama be so damn stupid? Does he not see the timing of this? There is a reason why the GOP keeps making these things expire right around election time. "He's coming to raise your taxes!"

    Also, why only 13 months for the unemployment benefits yet a two year extension on the cuts.

    This isn't a compromise.
     
  4. dscuber9000 macrumors 6502a

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    I don't think Republicans will even bite on this one. It's either EVERYTHING WE WANT OR NOTHING.

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  5. djjclark macrumors regular

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    Just so hilarious. It's like we have a bipolar goverment.

    Per the government (and left) we cant afford a $400 billion tax break for the rich and small businesses but we can afford the $3 trillion tax break for the middle and low income and an extra $160 billion social security tax break. Yet we also have the budget council telling us that we have to raise that tax (or modify SS some how). Also first I heard that the Bush era tax cuts were responsible for 1 million jobs.
     
  6. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    Dems could of kept pushing them on it and let them go up. Blame the GOP for wanting to get the money for the fat cats on wallstreet. Plenty of hate for the upper rich now.
    Blame the GOP for not extending benfits and say all they want is the big cuts for the very rich. Dems could of held out for more.
     
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    I don't think you'll find anyone here that doesn't blame the Dems (and Obama) as much as the the GOP. I just have a bit more anger reserved for the people that are actively trying to screw the country over than the bitches that won't stand up to them. Its not like the Dems having no balls is a new development.
     
  9. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    I actually harbor more anger to those who don't stand up against it.

    Democrats... at least a few of them... were born with spines.

    I sure miss them.
     
  10. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    Who? :eek::confused:

    I am actually a fan of Anthony Wiener, that dude gets heated and doesn't sugar coat anything when he's ranting on the hill.
     
  11. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Agreed. I'll pay more, I don't care. We need to pay our bills. The Republicans are not serious about fiscal responsibility, they only want power.
     
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    That's interesting, given his foreign policy views on Israel and Palestine.
     
  13. leekohler macrumors G5

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    And those views are?
     
  14. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    I should have said for his domestic policies. I don't think you'll find many of our politicians that vary that much when it comes to foreign policy. There are a few.
     
  15. obeygiant, Dec 6, 2010
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    Doesn't the Fed take donations? Knock yourself out.


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  16. EricNau Moderator emeritus

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    The tax cuts or the Democrats? :)


    Seriously, how is it that the Republicans are always running the show, even with a Democratic majority in both houses, and the White House? ...No, don't tell me; I know. :rolleyes: :eek:
     
  17. stevento, Dec 7, 2010
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    I totally agree. Extending unemployment is going to cost more and we're getting less revenue from extended tax cuts. Obama should have repealed those tax cuts in his first year.
    Republicans throw an immature tantrum and he gives them what they want.
    Man, you all should have voted for Hillary. Obama bragged about bipartisanship but gee whiz.
    Although to Obama's credit, he is trying to get rid of a Senator's right to filibuster (which is not in the Constitution). Once that's gone, he can finally give the finger to those toddlers.
     
  18. Thomas Veil, Dec 7, 2010
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    Sherrod Brown was mentioned in a CNN article, and he also spoke out against this right away. Nice to see we have some vertebrates in Congress.

    Edit: Apparently this is going over like a lead balloon. At the time of this writing, 65.2% think Obama was outmaneuvered. Just 14.3% think this was a necessary compromise.

    Not scientific, but heck, those numbers are within any margin of error.
     
  19. freeny macrumors 68020

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    I'm still waiting for the GOP's plan to cut the deficit.... Anything....
     
  20. leekohler, Dec 7, 2010
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    I returned my Bush checks too. Your posts are as pointless and non-helpful as ever. We ALL are part of this country. We ALL need to pay the bills.
     
  21. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    I have to say... reading through the posts here and then seeing the photo of the toddler crying is pretty darn ironic! ;)

    Anyway, Obama made the right choice for the economy and the right choice for himself politically. His base won't even consider abandoning him in 2012, so it's a battle for the middle in his eyes. If the Republicans could say in 2012 that Obama raised tax rates on all Americans in 2010 (the middle of the recession) that would have been a death blow to him politically. In all reality, Obama got a good deal here, he passed the extensions which he had to do politically, and got at least some concessions which you could also argue the Republicans had to do politically as well. Basically, this was an easy agreement to make on both sides.

    As for those suggesting this is a bad move for the deficit... give me a break. Don't act like you care about the deficit, you don't. It was your tax and spend lifestyle that got us into this mess. It was your entitlement programs, government handouts, and manipulation of the free housing market that have our economy reeling. Take some responsibility and realize that you can't keep taking more and more money from the citizenry to pay for your socialist programs.

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    Big government advocatest on all sides including neo-cons and especially liberal democrats are responsible for the dire straights we're in today. They think we can continue to spend ourselves and our childrens' lives into oblivion. The problem isn't that we don't tax enough, the problem is that we all think we're entitled, we all think the government is here to do everything for us instead of just creating an atmosphere where we can create our own prosperity.

    The path you and your leaders have put us on is 100% unsustainable, and yet here you sit completely unwilling or unable to place guilt where it rightfully lies. Unable to realize that we don't have a 'revenue' problem, but rather a spending problem.
     
  22. Sdashiki macrumors 68040

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    Can I see the amount of that Federal Spending which directly goes to pay for 2 wars begun during the last administration...thanks.

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  23. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    This is a terrible "deal" from a political standpoint. By cutting this deal, he's turned the tables from Republicans opposed to tax cuts to forcing democrats to oppose them. I don't agree with extending the tax cuts at all, but even if you did, from a purely political point of view, this is a mistake.
     
  24. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    Get you facts right. It was only 1 war. Afganstan start long before bush got in office.
     
  25. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    That certainly plays a role - hence my mention of 'neo-cons' in my last post. I think I've made my position on military spending pretty clear in the past: (remember though, defense of one of the major enumerated powers our government is granted by the constitution. Entitlements are another story.)

     

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