The Cost of Apple Discipleship

Discussion in ' News Discussion' started by MacBytes, Oct 18, 2006.

  1. MacBytes macrumors bot

    Jul 5, 2003
  2. cwt1nospam macrumors 6502a

    Oct 6, 2006
    Most people don't CHOOSE PCs over Macs!

    Most PC buyers only get PCs because that's all they know about. Even today, with all the news stories about Apple, I'm constantly amazed at the number of people who haven't even heard about the Mac. When they do know they have a choice, people choose the Mac, and for good reason.
  3. PlaceofDis macrumors Core

    Jan 6, 2004
    except no, these aren't items that everyone will buy.

    some of us will buy all. some will only buy a few of the items.
    but none, not one of these items is essential.

    i don't even have an intel machine, so why would i need Windows for boot camp? and many have an external drive as it is. and not everyone wants/need a shuffle either.

    blah. assumptions.
  4. MrSmith macrumors 68040


    Nov 27, 2003
    You could argue this for any product that doesn't have a warranty lasting as long as you'd like. And how does this mean PCs are a better buy? He's basically saying Macs are only covered for a year therefore you may as well buy a crap PC that you can be more sure will break within the year. Yeah, that makes sense.

    We have a choice, of course, but I do have some sympathy with this point of view. As technological advance relentlessly spurs on consumerism it's nice to look back when buying something meant we could use it until it stopped working, without any idea of obsolescence.

    What about running costs? Ever-increasing disk space costs?

    My 2p. That has to be one of the least persuasive articles I've read.
  5. Analog Kid macrumors 68040

    Analog Kid

    Mar 4, 2003
    I agree the extended warranty is dumb, but to pin it on Apple seems a little disingenuous... Dell has the same 1 year standard product warranty.

    The rest of the article is just bizarre. Totaling up all the money you could spend? Isn't that like saying, "You might think that Dell was cheap, but you might want to spend another $500 on a graphics card for high end gaming-- what do you think now?"

    Complaining about buying Windows for your Mac?? Er...

    Oh, and a word to those who might think, "Yeah! Leopard is going to be expensive, especially after I buy a hard drive for TimeMachine!"-- if you aren't already spending $100 to protect your data now, then you're probably losing something somewhere...
  6. Analog Kid macrumors 68040

    Analog Kid

    Mar 4, 2003
    This is the typical model for early adopters-- you get an imperfect product in exchange for having it early. It's just that now there are more early adopters in consumer electronics than there have been in the past.

    Eventually, the mp3 player market will level off, prices will drop, innovation will slow dramatically, and the iPod you buy then won't be appreciably different from one you can buy 5 years later. They will become commodities eventually-- or they'll get integrated into phones (which will become commodities eventually).
  7. parenthesis macrumors member

    Mar 22, 2003
    Here and there
    Plus, you don't HAVE to buy a hard drive to make Leopard work. You can always partition if you really want TimeMachine.
  8. A is jump macrumors regular

    A is jump

    Dec 14, 2005
    San Francisco, Ca
    "Apple has something called the AppleCare Protection Plan - a fancy name for a three year warranty. I’m always cynical when I see extended warranties. If the product is good enough, why only give it a twelve month warranty? Why not give it a three year warranty outright? Looks a bit like profiteering from where I sit. Otherwise it’s an admission that the product won’t last three years without failure of some sort. Why spend good money on a computer that the vendor is betting will be having problems by three years of age? If you’re going to have trouble anyway, why not just buy a cheap computer? No wonder people choose cheap PCs over Macs."

    um... yet they consistantly top the consumer reports reliability and customer service surveys.
    funny thing is, I bought the applecare for my powermac G5 and my powerbook... yet, I've never actually needed it, any problems I've had would have been covered by the original warranty... and werent really problems with the computers as much as registering them, or having questions with setup. I'd almost consider not even bothering with applecare, if I didnt like the comfort of having it.
    And honestly, it doesnt bother me at all to pay that extra amount for Customer support that is Second to none. I've watched my parents and siblings wait on telephones for almost an hour for Dell or gateway customer support, whether its customer support for computers, software, or even checking on the shipping status of an order, I've NEVER waited more than 5 minutes for apple. No wonder people dont mind paying for their Apple computers.
  9. A is jump macrumors regular

    A is jump

    Dec 14, 2005
    San Francisco, Ca
  10. MrSmith macrumors 68040


    Nov 27, 2003
  11. steve_hill4 macrumors 68000


    May 15, 2005
    NG9, England
    What the writer is trying to argue, badly, is that if you are only getting a years warranty and it could break just after the year, you might as well go out and buy a cheaper, less-well-built PC for less with the same warranty. If you don't get any more warranty, there is no guarantee from the manufacturer that it will last any longer than machines with similar warranties.

    Since Apple scores higher in reliability than most others, this negates the argument. However, if someone who wasn't bothered about Macs or PCs was deciding between two laptops and decided eventually to buy the MacBook, (even though perception may have the MacBook having less for the same price), and it broke down after 13 months, they may think to themselves that this reliability from Apple is crap and go and buy the PC next time. I think that's kind of the point the writer is trying to make.
  12. MacBoobsPro macrumors 603


    Jan 10, 2006
    So he/she is knocking Leopard but praising .Mac?

    What a complete spanner!
  13. Fender2112 macrumors 65816


    Aug 11, 2002
    Charlotte, NC
    It's a good thing this guy doesn't own a business. He'd go broke from giving away everything.

    It may be true that a Mac user will purchase some or all of those items. But PC users will also buy similar items. Not to mention virus and spyware protection, which isn't optional for PC users.

    As for Apple Care. Just about all consumer products have an optional "protection" plan that can be purchased. This is a huge cash cow. Manufactures know it. Retailers know it. Consumers know it. Why should Apple not take advantage of the situation?
  14. SPUY767 macrumors 68000


    Jun 22, 2003
    The only people who buy any of that are people who A) can afford it, and B) Don't know any better. Why should this be Apple's problem when the consumer is none the wiser. I have had probably 30 Macs, never once bought an extended warranty, nor did I ever have a problem. A dollar worth of prevention is worth a grand of cure.
  15. gerardrj macrumors regular

    May 2, 2002
    Another round

    Between this lousy article and one the other day by that Larry marketing guy, I'm wondering where the critical thinking skills are in the school system today.

    I thought the arguments by Larry were the most idiotic thing I've ever read, now I wake up this morning and see this article by Chris and posted, of all places, on a Mac web site.

    I really don't want to get in to counterpointing what he wrote, we all know he's just trying to make a name for himself, perhaps the next Enderel?

    PLEASE! I implore you, Mac bashing writers, proof read your articles, have someone else read it for errors, content, tone and overall intelligence. If your going to bash our platform, at least do it with style and with valid arguments not common to all computing platforms.
  16. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

    IJ Reilly

    Jul 16, 2002
    Grammar Police, feet back and spread 'em!
  17. MrSmith macrumors 68040


    Nov 27, 2003
    IJ, your signature explains why I've got man boobs. :D
  18. SC68Cal macrumors 68000

    Feb 23, 2006
    I was agreeing with the Author right up until he claimed that .Mac was NOT a waste of money.

    Give me a break. Biggest money pit/ripoff in the world is dotMac. Nobody even comes close to that kind of fleecing.
  19. aranhamo macrumors regular

    Oct 14, 2004
    My calculations

    I'll probably buy Leopard
    - Leopard: $129

    I already have three of these
    - External HDD: $0

    Why would I want this?
    - Windows XP Home: $0

    I'll buy this if they add a spreadsheet application, which will be well worth the money
    - iWork 07: $79

    I'll get this when I buy a new Mac. I've never seen a reason to pay to upgrade iLife
    - iLife 07: $0

    I'll probably upgrade to the Family Pack next year
    - .Mac: $199

    I have no use for an iPod.
    - iPod: $0

    $129 + $79 + $199 = $407

    BUT, only half of that is a recurring charge (for .Mac). So probably the next time I give Apple any more money (other than .Mac) will be when I buy a new computer. And even if I were to buy a Windows PC, I wouldn't buy a cheap-o one because I'm a programmer and I like being near the bleeding edge (or as close as I can get on my budget).

    So if I had a Windows PC, in 2007 I'd have to spend:
    $259 for Vista Ultimate upgrade
    $50 for antivirus (yearly)
    $329 for Office professional 2007 upgrade

    That's $638

    There's probably more, but I've already blown way higher than my 2007 expenditures for my Mac, and I still haven't added the cost of a .Mac-like service or the hardware upgrades I'd probably need to run Vista.

    Notice that Microsoft's upgrade prices are 2 or three times the cost of Apple's full-prices? iWork isn't quite comparable to Office, but still...
  20. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

    IJ Reilly

    Jul 16, 2002
    Best laugh of the day, without a doubt, and it's only morning over here.

    :D :D
  21. shamino macrumors 68040


    Jan 7, 2004
    Purcellville, VA
    So the summary of the article is:

    "Apple is evil because they aren't giving away perpetual free upgrades for everything they sell".

    I wonder if he's going to write a similar article slamming Microsoft. After all, they're going to charge $200-400 per copy of Vista (with no family pack licensing), some features are going to require hardware upgrades (more memory, more disk, faster video card), and Office 2007 won't be a free upgrade from Office 2003.

    And if your Zune battery dies prematurely (but after the 90 day warrantee), you can bet that they won't be replaced for free either.

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