The Downside to Apple's Frequent Product Updates

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  1. MacBytes macrumors bot

    Jul 5, 2003
  2. zephead macrumors 68000


    Apr 27, 2006
    in your pants
    Seriously? Are they really saying that coming out with an OS every six years is better than one that comes out every 1 1/2? :eek:
  3. beppo macrumors member

    Jan 7, 2008
    instead of thinking of How you would have saved money or gotten a better product if you would have waited you should think of how it has made your life easier sense the time that you bought it and the time that the new version has come out
  4. Aussie John macrumors member

    Jun 26, 2004
    I really dont think Apple could ever be accused of releasing updates to its products too quickly. In fact they like to sit on them for as long as possible. How long between updates for Macpro and macbookpro.
  5. siurpeeman macrumors 603


    Dec 2, 2006
    the OC
    the macbook pro line usually gets updated twice a year. since its release in march 2006, it saw updates only a couple months later when the macbook debuted with faster processors, followed by subsequent updates in october 2006 and may 2007. people expected updates during the fall, but the only change in the lineup was the option for a 2.6 ghz processor. they're not infrequent; people are just impatient. the mac pros, however, are another story.
  6. samh004 macrumors 68020


    Mar 1, 2004
    So it's $129 to upgrade to a new OS every 1.5 years or how much to upgrade to an "Ultimate" version every 6 years ?

    I don't know the exact price, but I'm pretty sure Vista Ultimate was a lot more expensive, and bug fixes came out slower. But hey, not trying to flame or start anything, this just seems like a very silly article.
  7. donga macrumors 6502a


    May 16, 2005
    i think i'd have an even higher degree buyer's remorse if i had a subpar PC-based product vs. a friend/relative's quality Apple product.
  8. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

    Rodimus Prime

    Oct 9, 2006
    I think it is to fast but that is because it never around long enough to really give the devs times to adjust to it and really take full advantage of it.

    Vista was to far delayed. I liked the 3 year cycle MS used to have and was originally planned to have for XP.

    I think apple should slow down the release to of a new OS to onces every 3 years but the improvements would be that of a 2 OS jump in the current system. This would give devs more time to adjusted and I think more people would upgrade to the new os than in the current system because I know we have a lot of people here who will only buy a new OS every other time.
  9. bluebomberman macrumors 6502a


    Jan 9, 2005
    Queens, NYC
    I know the feeling. I'm tempted all the time to replace my Rev. A iMac G5, despite the fact that it's quite functional.

    Would I rather Apple slow down its refresh cycle? Nah. But I suspect that all the shiny new products coming out next week will induce an overpowering drive to open up my wallet, driving me mad in the process...

    EDIT: Don't get me started on replacing my Treo... Damn contracts. (Lusts after iPhone.)
  10. t0mat0 macrumors 603


    Aug 29, 2006
    If it wasnt for the word buyer's, this sentence would be even worse sense.
    Dang, i'm so bummmed Apple keeps bringing out new better kit for us to buy, a yea ahead of the competition...
  11. Blue Velvet Moderator emeritus

    Jul 4, 2004
    Yeah, I just can't keep track of the bewildering speed that they release new ACDs and MacPros. Someone, please make it stop.
  12. Eraserhead macrumors G4


    Nov 3, 2005
    The thing is, that Dell update their machines monthly and no-one cares, I mean a Dell is a Dell.
  13. jayducharme macrumors 68030


    Jun 22, 2006
    The thick of it
    The best part of the article is the plug for MacRumors at the end. :)
  14. jackc macrumors 65816


    Oct 19, 2003
  15. iSee macrumors 68040


    Oct 25, 2004
    Nice plug for the MR Buyer's Guide at the end:
    Edit: oops, didn't notice previous post ^^^^
  16. zap2 macrumors 604


    Mar 8, 2005
    Washington D.C
    I hate this argument.

    Just because a new product comes out, doesn't make the old one worse.

    With Apple you just have more of a chance to upgrade, your old products still work just fine
  17. macnulty macrumors 6502

    May 18, 2003
    Rehoboth Beach, De
    Wow, nothing like putting a negative spin on constant product improvement. However it serves as a classic example of what's wrong with journalists, if it bleed it leads.
  18. zephyrnoid macrumors 6502


    Jan 12, 2008
    Geneva Switzerland
    The really bad news regarding OS upgrades as frequent as 12Mo cycle - is that they are proof positive of Alan Cooper's statement that "software developers ship beta products and dumb arse consumers are actually willing to pay for betas and patches" (paraphrased). So the true total cost of a major OS Version ownership isn't apparent to the consumer until the Core OS has reached maturity in 4-6 years. Simply put, Apple lets its customers believe that they're taking such good care of them, with the annual upgrades, when in fact it's the silly Apple customer that's taking care of Apple by subsidizing the process of refining the software to maturity on an annual basis. As a rule, I deliberately lag in my Apple OS upgrade path by 3-4 years to compensate for this phenomenon. MS is worse. Simply letting customers stew for 6 years between major upgrades, just means that customers are using outmoded or dysfunctional software until the major upgrade occurs. The point that Alan was trying to make is that all software sucks because by the time it matures, you're already in the hole. It's a conundrum that's difficult to resolve without forcing fundamental changes in the culture of the development community and the business leaders that finance them. Then again, I'd rather pay for Apple Kaizen than anything Microsoft
  19. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

    Rodimus Prime

    Oct 9, 2006
    well problem is when apple does an upgrade it is a huge jump in performance making it a real loss if you have the older hardware.

    I think apples biggest problem with going Intel is they have failed at adjusting to a faster update cycle. Apple needs to really have an update every few months and if it minor bumps every time it is not going to bother people as much when an update happens. Right now by a product and a month later an update happens it pretty much getting screwed.

    Plus a faster update cycle would keep them more cost completive. Right after an update they are a great value but over time that value drops and after a few months it is no longer a good value and then by the time shortly before the next update they are a horrible value.♦
  20. luminosity macrumors 65816


    Jan 10, 2006
    Amen to that, and then some.

    Whatever comes out this week isn't going to make my MBP any less of a great laptop.
  21. takao macrumors 68040


    Dec 25, 2003
    Dornbirn (Austria)
    yeah apple has to put out those upgrades faster ... all to often they simply fall in value too much
  22. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

    IJ Reilly

    Jul 16, 2002
    Have you read Cooper's book "The Inmates are Running the Asylum"? Sounds like maybe you have. I thought it was priceless, if only for the concept of "dancing bearware." (For the uninitiated: lousy software that we use only because we're amazed that it can be made to do anything useful, AKA, the Microsoft business model.)

    As to the article... what do you expect? He was on deadline and had to write something.
  23. zephyrnoid macrumors 6502


    Jan 12, 2008
    Geneva Switzerland
    'Course I read the book and have a personal dedication from Mr Cooper on the sleeve. The paraphrasing was really from a speech he gave at a UPA conference in '01.
    Sadly, in all those years, nothing has improved with regard to the psychology behind desktop OS software development. Handheld OS is a different story altogether. Pay attention to how in one fell swoop, the ipod & iPhone changed the rules of the game. Albeit LG Prada got pretty close but not as close as the iPhone has gotten to lifting the cognitive overhead. I see less and less attention going to producing clean, simple OS for desktop/laptops systems as most of the focus goes to wireless & handheld OS's.

  24. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

    IJ Reilly

    Jul 16, 2002
    Which is, ironically, a lot closer to Jef Raskin's original conception of the Mac.

    I wrote a newspaper column about Cooper's book, back when I was doing that sort of thing.
  25. painimies macrumors member

    Jan 10, 2002

    When have you ever paid for an Apple software patch?

    AND how is it a problem of a 12mo cycle? How long do you think is enough time to build a bug-free software product?

    Also, Don't you think that at least part of the blame is on us, the consumers, for not being patient and constantly wanting new products and upgrades?

    Heck, why not go for 5 to 10 years while you're at it?

    So what do you think is the optimal update cycle for a software product?

    So, all software sucks? I sincerely beg to differ.

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