The Elites promised the U.K. would Remain: a foreshadowing of a massive Trump landslide in November?

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    Again and again, the political and media elites told us to shut up; the Remain camp was strong and a Brexit was impossible. We've heard the same thing about Trump for the past year.

    Hillary, the epitome of corrupt, warmongering Wall Street elitism just beat a crazy, 74-year-old socialist for the Democratic nomination. Is it truly inevitable that she will win in November?

    Inevitable?

    Really?
     
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    We kicked their ass at Yorktown, we can show those Brits our crazies are better than their crazies.
     
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    It might very well be. When the top 1% ignores the needs and aspirations of the remaining 99%, the bottom 50% start destroying the system rigged against them. The UK government pushed austerity during the Great Recession, unlike the US, so working-class and poor people have been hit disproportionately hard. It is no wonder that they have turned their backs on the 'elite'.

    Mind you, if this rejection of the status quo were to happen in the US, the Republicans would loose control of Congress.

    War of 1812. *cough*

    [​IMG]
     
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    Not unless Trump magically lowers his 90% unfavorable rating with Hispanics.

    It's all about Florida. He can't win Florida with those numbers, and he's not winning the election without Florida.
     
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    While not at the same scale, Sequestration has been a slow destruction of social services in the states, which I can't describe in any other way than austerity with a different name.
     
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    I suppose it is possible that we have the same proportion of uninformed voters in the US as the UK does, but I doubt it.
     
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    I don't think people can actually articulate it for the most part, but neoliberal economics is being revolted against. Unfortunately it's happening at the same time as Authoritarianism, and it's hard to pick apart which is driving these phenomena (Trump/Brexit).
     
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    Just out of curiosity, do you have a source for this or is this a copy paste opinion off of a website?
     
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    My sources are the major English-speaking media in Canada, Australia, Great Britain, India, and the United States.
     
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    I was going to accuse NT1440 of the same for his post. Somewhat writing out of character and a wee bit too tidy.
     
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    Florida is allegedly controlled by the renamed Acorn. Anyone who's followed this group knows where this post is going...

    Those who don't will be left to their imagination :eek:
     
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    Listening the NPR, To the Point, DemNow!, etc I'm getting the impression that the elites of the United States' neoliberal political-media complex are simply apoplectic over the Brexit. They are having a hard time--from their ivory towers and Manhattan penthouses--understanding where the working class got the sheer unmitigated audacity to tell the Corporatist-Internationalists to stuff it.
     
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    Hmm. I don't doubt it much as I might have before the 2016 primary races. Not in a thousand years would I have believed Americans would vote in droves to put Donald Trump up for President of the USA, on any party's ballots.

    It's one thing to be really angry over the state of one's own prospects or how one perceives the country's state of affairs, but it's another to confuse the faux drama of "reality" TV with the grave act of helping choose the next leader of a (or the) superpower nation.

    It's not at all clear to me that the Trump voters realize this guy would actually have to suit up and show up in the Oval Office every day for yet another round of tedious negotiations with his own or the other major party over legislation, or that he would have to thread the needle between antagonists on the world stage without triggering undesirable diplomatic reactions, etc., etc. They seem excited about the prospect of Trump telling the established world to stick it, but they don't seem to press for details of how, exactly, Trump would operate to effect positive changes on their behalf. They seem not to remember that there is also a Congress and a judiciary. And a world of other sovereign nations...

    Do these voters get it that Trump is a guy who just does whatever he wants to do on impulse, and so far lets his lawyers sort out any blowback later on? That you can't do that from the Oval Office? Maybe his supporters are not uninformed but they don't seem rationally informed, not even about their chosen candidate and the actual burdens and limitations of the office he supposedly seeks.
     
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    What do you mean unlike the US? The middle class have been fed to the dogs.
     
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    At least you kept a British song for your national anthem though. The bill is in the post. :p
     
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    Possibly, but both sides have rigged the districts to create as many safe seats as possible. And right now the GOP has more safe seats in the House than do the Democrats. The Senate election map will not be kind to the GOP this fall, so that may switch sides. I really liked it when the senate was divided 50/50 and either leader could bring a vote to the floor. I love forcing them (both sides) to actually vote on stuff they don't want to vote on.
     
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    I think this is the great untold story of Brexit.

    The Tory Government of David Cameron pushed a totally
    unnecessary austerity on Britain. It has led to cutbacks in everything from the railways and London Underground to the NHS. People are, not unsurprisingly, pissed about that. Its also led to a recovery from the 2008 economic meltdown that is pitifully weak in comparison with what Barack Obama and the Democrats pulled off in the US.

    Where British voters got things wrong is blaming Polish construction workers and Italian waitresses for this failure on the part of the Tory nitwits they voted into office.
     
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    LizKat, Trump's popularity stems from his having spoken out on issues of importance to Joe Sixpack and the folks in flyover country. The issues that are either avoided or waffled over by traditional-behavior would-be candidates. Doesn't matter if you or I don't like his proposed solutions. The Fed, the administration and the Congress have clobbered the economic middle class for some thirty years, now, and people are fed up.

    My litmus test, this time around, is war. Trump has bad-mouthed NATO. He has spoken of working with Putin on issues of mutual concern.

    OTOH, Hillary is right in bed with the NeoCon warhawk disciples of the Wolfowitz Doctrine. As far as I'm concerned, that's somewhere between "plain stupid" and "dumber'n dirt". Probably get a bunch more people killed and more refugees.

    Note that heavy artillery makes for really low quality urban renewal, and is not a good procedure for landscaping. I've seen that crap up close and personal, first hand.
     
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    The difference is that no-one in the leave campaign is out-and-out racist like Trump.
     
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    What makes you think that?
     
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    The two votes have nothing to do with each other, unless citizens of the UK are voting in our election. The remain vote was never more than a 50% chance of winning.
     
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    Where's the equivalent to Trumps comments from the leave campaign?
     
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    Actually, socialists like Sanders think Hillary is a republican in dem clothing. Or that's what I keep reading.

    Nobody knows what will happen in November. It's wishful thinking to say what will happen, especially considering many who voted for Brexit don't seem to agree on the reasons for which they voted to skedaddle.

    Which issues does Trump agree with Putin on? You're hinting at a few, a few more details would be nice. It's nice to know what one wants to agree or not on. :)

    And Joe Sixpack is surely too drunk to care either way?
     
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    The myth being peddled about 40 million Turks waiting at the gates came pretty close.
     

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