The existentialism of not working anymore

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  1. blackfox macrumors 65816

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    I've studied economics for decades and have been automating businesses for a long, long time.

    The next round of AI and robotics will be game changers. It takes about 25~30 years to make a human economically viable. It takes seconds to do that same for a robot.

    Given the increasing cost of education, we'll soon reach the point where a person will die before they break even on the cost of their education. This also assumes that people have the ability to be educated to the point where they have economic value. What do we do with all the people that can't be educated?

    The real issue is how to deal with this problem. Humans aren't economically viable and we keep pumping out more and more of them. We may need a really big war to wipe 1/2 the human race from the planet because people just don't understand birth control or economics.
     
  3. Mac'nCheese macrumors 68030

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    OUch, that's bleak.
     
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    I'm going to lie down and stare at the ceiling in the dark.
     
  6. chown33 macrumors 604

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    One problem with that strategy is you might be left with only the people who don't understand birth control or economics. "Golgafrincham Ark B".
     
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    gosh, and it's only Monday.
     
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    Well, on a positive note: I've always been a fan of the Star Trek vision of humanity...
     
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    I see a market for more dystopian fusion literature --blends of fiction and nonfiction-- so we can get used to the idea of there being whole new classes of humans, like The Breeders, The Robot Designers, The Entertainment Instructors, etc.

    There's lots of sci fi out there now, of course, but we need lots more casual and entertaining semi-realistic encounters with our future. Augmented reality stuff. Like popping out to get a parcel from the roadside box and realizing that the guy who brings it isn't a guy anymore, just a delivery app in a self driving car. But... it's friendly, armed with a supply of tailored jokes, and never drops a package in the ditch on the first try.

    That way it won't annoy or depress us so much when it becomes obvious that our highest personal aspiration just became "Member of Entertainable Class". :rolleyes:

    I sure hope robots do a better job at entertaining us than Hollywood has done, at least spare us more of those forgettable action-adventure sequels, prequels, remakes and extrapolations.

    Frankly I'd like to see some more happy-outcome sci fi instead of all the usual gloom and doom about everything being so controlled and bleak. We don't know that for sure, right? Sooner or later something's bound to get out of its cage. It could be a million laughs instead of some giant robotic spider with no sense of humor at all.
     
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    Soilent Green?
     
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    No more hunger.
     
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    Too bad Hillary lost. Then we could have had a nice population reducing war with Russia. Or maybe we should just stop sending all that aid around the world. That may even up the numbers a bit. :rolleyes:
     
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    KarlJay, might it be that too many are accumulating student debt for educations which do not translate into remunerative work? Might it be that many use the student-loan money for lifestyle augmentation rather than minimal costs of living and their direct school costs?

    I know of many decent-pay hands-on blue collar jobs which are learned at minimal expense. Seems to me that for those who can't develop the expertise for whatever high-pay jobs exist, other areas of work should be sought.

    ibookg409, maybe a nuke war would reduce populations, but all in all, historic warfare does not. Where did all the Baby Boomers come from? :)
     
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    Birth rates are dropping worldwide...
     
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    Not for muslims.
     
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    Unfortunately their seem to be a direct relationship between the low IQ poorly educated and the size of their families.
    Don't think we are going to need a war to reduce the population between Global warming and mis-use of antibiotics to the point where super bugs are being created we will take care of it for ourselves.
     
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    The fact that nobody is working to address this seemingly inevitable development is actually pretty disturbing. Imagine a 50% unemployment rate worldwide, it would lead to a complete breakdown of the social order, massive unrest and wars possibly culminating in a nuclear holocaust. It's actually a much bigger deal than say global warming.
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    Actually, that would be unlikely since developed countries (military superiority) can inflict major damage on third world countries that have crazy high birth rates.
     
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    Which is more?
    5% of 1 million
    4% of 1 billion
    worldPopulationGraph_year0to2100_billionPopYears_400x270.gif

    Tell these people about how populations are down:


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    Feed these people for ONE day: Provide them with water, food, bathroom...

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    This is the problem, our "kick the can down the road" game plan isn't going to work. Look at how CA handled the drought.

    Part of the problem is that we have a "have as many babies as you want, we'll take care of them" policy and there's no down side to having as many kids as you want.

    If this isn't handled properly, there will be no recovery.
     
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    You really don't understand demography.
     
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    Your talking about replacement rates. Yes, I've seen several presentations about how EU nations can lose majority in a pretty short period of time. The point that I was making is that we simple have too many people.

    You can put up any number you want, that's not going to change the fact that we have NO plan to deal with this or many other problems.
     
  21. Mac'nCheese macrumors 68030

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    We can have one with china instead.
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    You can post plenty of pictures of people but the truth is, the birth rate is slowing down and in a few decades, populations will start going down. The only problem is will it go down before things get really bad?
     
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    As we advance in healthcare people will live longer so will it matter if the birth rate is declining.
     
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    An economy and tech can change things very, very quickly. Changing the world's population in a meaningful way will take time. Imagine if we found that the right number is 1 billion. How exactly would we get there?

    Would that mean that only 1 in X people can have children?

    What about people that can't get a high enough education to be usable in a new economy?

    It's not just an issue of how to find a system that works, but to make changes so that we reach that goal in time. California failed at this over and over and over with the drought.

    Humans can't even figure out how to transport, feed and educate the people we have.

    This is going to take some real frontal lobe horsepower at a time when critical thinking skills are on the decline.

    Just like the arguments over economic, people "think" they have the right answer, they can't even intelligently state the criteria for what a good answer would look like.

    Clueless humans with little or no frontal lobe horsepower trying to solve complex problems.... hmmm.... I wonder how this will turn out.

    But wait, there is a bright side... in the end, everyone dies.
     

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