The FBI Our Savior? I’ll Say Yes.

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  1. Huntn thread starter macrumors P6

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    There is no need for me to clarify anything. You can accept, reject, or counter what I’ve said, just as can make applicable counters to your posts. For example did I reject what you said in post 19? No, I countered it.
     
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    I sincerely doubt they are our saviors. At this point, they've got their own corruption. Politicians and those at the top of these institutions, they follow their own agenda. Unfortunately, it doesn't matter who you vote for anymore...

    It just changes where the corruption takes place.
     
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    But there is a need but that requires specificity which is not often found.

    This is no counter. It is strawman. It’s amusing how often those two are confused.
     
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    Was the point of this post just to say “keep up the good work, FBI”?
     
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    Anyone that fights back against the Trump agenda/brain-farting is doing good. The FBI will of course be filled with as many career obsessed maniacs as anywhere but you need to find friends in low places sometimes. I’m really really sorry for quoting Garth Brooks. Sorry.
     
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    You need to check the definition of straw man. Asking for loyalty from a high ranking law enforcement leader. My statement is factual, what was asked for is unacceptable and the intent was immoral if not unlawful. Of course it’s your option not to believe Comey in favor of the BFL.
     
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    I know the definition of straw man, that’s why I used it.

    Expecting, asking, or demanding loyalty from your subordinates isn’t a crime or unreasonable.
     
  8. Huntn thread starter macrumors P6

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    It’s not a strawman and you are wrong. In what way can you ever imagine Comey being loyal to the President that is not immoral or illegal? Should he have dropped the Russian Investigation as a f’n favor? Imo, your line of reasoning on this topic, appears to be partisanly fractured. I accept your disagreement in advance. :)
     
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    It’s a perfect example of it.

    This has been answered before, but I’ll repeat it again. The Director of the FBI is subordinate to the President. A President can ask, cow, or give the Director explicit orders. It’s within his Constitutional authority. you apparently don’t like that answer, but it factual. Period.
     
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    It's more complex and nuanced than that though.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...s-justice-department-not-president/495094001/
     
  11. Huntn thread starter macrumors P6

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    I urge you to become more positive. The system is only as good as we, the voters make it.

    At the beginning of this investigation, the FBI well regarded especially by Republicans. Nothing has changed in the FBI’s intent, integrity, standards, or their methodology. The top guys are Republicans. Imo, their crime is daring to investigate wrong doing when it impacts the GOP, also resisting the incessant efforts by POTUS to undermine a legitimate investigation. Now is not the time to throw in the towel regarding our legal standards and the rule of law or we as a country will suffer terribly.
     
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    I didn't say it changed facts. I wrote it was more nuanced than that. Tradition matters.
     
  14. Huntn thread starter macrumors P6

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    Nope, sorry, you are wrong again. You seem to be toying with strawman.
    Strawman argument: 1. an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.

    I’ve already stated I did not reject how you described the head of the FBI’s relationship with POTUS. INSTEAD I told you what Trump did that was wrong, which is factual, not a misrepresentation.
     
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    So this isn’t a gaslight deflection. Good, then you do not disagree.
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    It’s within a Presidrnt’s Constitutional authority to ask, cow, and make demands if the FBI Director. With specificity, support your claim that Trump asking Comey for loyalty is a criminal matter.
     
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    This is beside the point and you are ignoring the point I am making which is not nuanced.

    When the President asks the Director of the FBI for loyalty, he is asking for favored treatment which just does not CUT IT when the request is applied to an important investigation regarding a foreign country breaking our laws, interfering in our democracy, that has implicated the President’s Administration if not the President himself.

    In what way can loyalty be applied that does not subvert an ongoing investigation, by dropping it? EXACTLY. So keep retelling me, it was in the President’s right to fire Comey as your strawman. :oops:
     
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    Straw man - but you can have at it. No interest in heavy lifting today.
     
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    Just getting caught up on this thread. Some mentions of Russia! Russia! Russia!

    Which made me wonder - whatever happened to the hourly Russia! Russia! Russia! threads on the PRSI's front page. Looks like they have all fallen off, with the exception of the hail mary Russian Escort Scandal and Trump thread, which appears ripe to fall of the front page today or tomorrow.

    Anyway, I guess a kudos for the FBI is indeed appropriate - they investigated, found a a delicious nothingburger, and have moved on, hopefully to fixing whatever abjectly pathetic systems they have in place for preventing known threats.
     
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    They've moved on? Did the investigation conclude without the country knowing about it?
     
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    Then apparently the gaslight deflection may apply. If you disagree with the facts I posted please point it out.
     
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    Found a nothingburger and moved on? Thanks for the chuckle. :)
     
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    It's not just partisan corruption.

    There is the influence of dark money and creeptocurrencies corrupting the political landscape across the US and Europe by anarcho-libertarian ideologues allied to Putin.

    In their world view countries should be run by authoritarian regimes who are propped up by the super wealthy oligrarchs who live without regulations and borders. The rest of the population live like beggars and gamblers desperate to make enough money to live on in a deregulated free market that benefits the oligarchs and screws the most vulnerable.

    They also want border wars and skirmishes to benefit the military contractors.

    If you want to get rid of these bastards you will need a lot more than the FBI. You need to shut down all the tools of subversion and influence - the social media networks that are being used for misinformation and collecting YOUR personal data, the dark money channels, the block chains, the creepto scams, the honey pot women who are sent to collect kompromat.

    To shut these down you need to delete your accounts on these social media platforms and tell everyone else to do the same. This will send a strong message to the big firms and governments that you do not wan tto see your freedoms and democracies being subverted. If they want to continue making money they will need to take action. No more false promises.

    And you need to protest loudly to all your local government officials, every day, until they get off their asses. Our gadgets and connected lifestyle have made us lazy but have made enemies strong.
     
  23. Huntn thread starter macrumors P6

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    You’ve appraised humanity quite well, not all of us, but enough. We’ll never build advanced societies until we’ve evolved into something much better than the selfish creatures we are. While acknowledging that our intelligence may be part of the issue, there is virtually no other communal species on the planet that stabs its own in the back like we do.
     
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    Sure.

    But you still have to take action. Hard fierce immediate action.
     
  25. Huntn thread starter macrumors P6

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    Uh, how much action that will happen immediately or eventually is up for debate. :(
     

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