The Great IRS Scandal fizzles into nothing

citizenzen

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After a two year investigation ...
DOJ closes IRS investigation with no charges

"We found no evidence that any IRS official acted based on political, discriminatory, corrupt, or other inappropriate motives that would support a criminal prosecution," Kadzik said. "We also found no evidence that any official involved in the handling of tax-exempt applications or IRS leadership attempted to obstruct justice. Based on the evidence developed in this investigation and the recommendation of experienced career prosecutors and supervising attorneys at the department, we are closing our investigation and will not seek any criminal charges."

Obviously this means congress needs to convene more hearings.
 

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Let's be clear, they circled the wagons on this one and even the judge stated: “Our investigation uncovered substantial evidence of mismanagement, poor judgment and institutional inertia, leading to the belief by many tax-exempt applicants that the IRS targeted them based on their political viewpoints,” Assistant Attorney General Peter Kadzik wrote to Congress on Friday. “But poor management is not a crime.”

Lois Lerner not testifying in order to not incriminate herself tells us everything we need to know, they did it and got away with it. Bravo.
 

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Let's be clear, they circled the wagons on this one and even the judge stated: “Our investigation uncovered substantial evidence of mismanagement, poor judgment and institutional inertia, leading to the belief by many tax-exempt applicants that the IRS targeted them based on their political viewpoints,” Assistant Attorney General Peter Kadzik wrote to Congress on Friday. “But poor management is not a crime.”

Lois Lerner not testifying in order to not incriminate herself tells us everything we need to know, they did it and got away with it. Bravo.
In my entire working career, in both public and private sectors, I've seen mismanagement a majority of the time. The only thing I suspect she was getting away with was being responsible for duties that she should have handled more professionally and proficiently. Well, welcome to my experience with bosses too.

As the DOJ suggests, while that might be a shame, it's not a crime.
 

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The government has investigated itself and found nothing wrong. Yay?
There have been plenty of times the government has investigated itself and found something wrong.

Do you think the government has ceased to be able to hold itself accountable on any level?
 

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I'm sure the lame stream media would be crapping all over themselves if Republicans had done what the Dems did. Life will be interesting if the Dems are unsuccessful in creating the permanent Democratic Party they envision.
Sounds like it would make for a great movie.

You should work on the screenplay.
 

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The government has investigated itself and found nothing wrong. Yay?
Graham Greene is right, cynicism is cheap.

I'm sure the lame stream media would be crapping all over themselves if Republicans had done what the Dems did. Life will be interesting if the Dems are unsuccessful in creating the permanent Democratic Party they envision.
I always enjoy the tales of Earth Two.
 
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In my entire working career, in both public and private sectors, I've seen mismanagement a majority of the time. The only thing I suspect she was getting away with was being responsible for duties that she should have handled more professionally and proficiently. Well, welcome to my experience with bosses too.

As the DOJ suggests, while that might be a shame, it's not a crime.
You can continue to kid yourself on this, just because they weren't able to force people to testify to get the evidence they needed does not mean there was no crime committed.

I'm not particularly a fan of the tea party, but it's pretty obvious that political bias played a role in these IRS investigations otherwise there would be no reason to "take the 5th". How embarrassing that you can't even talk about what you do at work without incriminating yourself. Proud day for the IRS.
 

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You can continue to kid yourself on this, just because they weren't able to force people to testify to get the evidence they needed does not mean there was no crime committed.

I'm not particularly a fan of the tea party, but it's pretty obvious that political bias played a role in these IRS investigations otherwise there would be no reason to "take the 5th". How embarrassing that you can't even talk about what you do at work without incriminating yourself. Proud day for the IRS.
Leftist groups were targeted as much as right groups.
 

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Ergo, the old white guys post revolutionary war were probably correct in safeguarding liberty through creation of three branches of government.
 

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You can continue to kid yourself on this, just because they weren't able to force people to testify to get the evidence they needed does not mean there was no crime committed.

I'm not particularly a fan of the tea party, but it's pretty obvious that political bias played a role in these IRS investigations otherwise there would be no reason to "take the 5th". How embarrassing that you can't even talk about what you do at work without incriminating yourself. Proud day for the IRS.
Yes, taking the 5th is essentially a full confession of guilt. :rolleyes:

How amazing, the GOP needs to resort to all of these petty tin-hat conspiracy allegations in order to smear the reputation of Democratic leaders because they fail to persuade the American public on a policy level. The GOP is nothing more than a bunch of inept whinny crybabies.
 

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Yes, taking the 5th is essentially a full confession of guilt.
I think she took the 5th because she (or more likely her lawyer) was smart enough to see Republicans hungry for a scandal. Since this whole thing wasn't going to involve the White House, and the real prize the Republicans wanted, she was the one who'd be held responsible. So she took the 5th.

If this thing did extend beyond her office she could have been given a deal to testify against her higher-ups. But as the DOJ showed, this was a localized case of poor management, and not a plot to deny Tea Party groups their tax exempt status.
 

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I'm sure the lame stream media would be crapping all over themselves if Republicans had done what the Dems did. Life will be interesting if the Dems are unsuccessful in creating the permanent Democratic Party they envision.
The main stream right wing news, talk radio, and blogosphere, did not make that big a deal of it as I recall, at least for not very long. Hard to stay focused with the flood of liberal offenses drowning them daily. ;)
 

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There have been plenty of times the government has investigated itself and found something wrong.

Do you think the government has ceased to be able to hold itself accountable on any level?
What we saw is a masterful performance from HRC.

With no scruples, no conscience, no desire to save others from death, she sat there steely eyed and refused to answer a single question. Even more revealing was how expertly she deflected all responsibility to those around her.

The Libs, her fellow Dems are basking in the joy of this macabre "victory".
 
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What we saw is a masterful performance from HRC.

With no scruples, no conscience, no desire to save others from death, she sat there steely eyed and refused to answer a single question. Even more revealing was how expertly she deflected all responsibility to those around her.

The Libs, her fellow Dems are basking in the joy of this macabre "victory".
Wow... You are scary. My impression your reference is to the last Bengazi hearing. Fortunately, the first part of your proclamation gives you away. Did you even watch the hearings or just listen to Limbaugh's and Hannity's appraisals?
 

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In my entire working career, in both public and private sectors, I've seen mismanagement a majority of the time.
Strangely enough, in my entire working career, good management has been the rule the majority of the time.

Now, I've seen plenty of mismanagement and waste, I just haven't worked within it. While we are on the subject, the healthcare business is surely the most mismanaged in America.
 

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What we saw is a masterful performance from HRC.

With no scruples, no conscience, no desire to save others from death, she sat there steely eyed and refused to answer a single question. Even more revealing was how expertly she deflected all responsibility to those around her.

The Libs, her fellow Dems are basking in the joy of this macabre "victory".
This is something that just came to mind. She's accused of ignoring orders to strengthen security at the Benghazi embassy, then ignoring all requests for help as the situation there deteriorated. It's apparently a dastardly, horrible, terrible thing she's done, callously disregarding their pleas for assistance as those died around them. Possibly cackling all the while.

But...

Why would she do that? What would she gain from it politically? I don't think this has ever been addressed. She apparently just did it without any motive or reasoning behind it, which obviously, isn't something anyone would do.
 
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