The homosexuality-as-choice argument

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  1. Coleman2010 macrumors 68000

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    Interesting theory. People who believe homosexuality is a choice are bisexual.

     
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    What about people like me who don't care whether it's a choice or not?

    We're apithexual?
     
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    I'm not entirely sure how I feel about this. I mean in a nutshell it's a reworking of the "when we expose bigot men to gay porn, they get more aroused than other groups" study. I can agree that for some cases the "choice" supporters being closeted bi/pan/homosexual, but I don't think sexuality can ever really be as clear cut as "this is why all people act the way they do".

    When my stepdad met me before he married my mum, he believed I'd chosen to be a lesbian. After getting to know me over the past decade, he realizes my sexuality is natural, and just another part of the bits that come together to make me. I have to laugh whenever there's a politician on TV who proclaims the evils of homosexuality, Dad will inevitably respond with "And cue same-sex extra marital affair in 6 months".
     
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    I've always thought that saying being gay is a choice is the oddest remark.

    I automatically think that means the person saying it must think they chose to be straight. So maybe they are slightly bisexual.
     
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    Who and where are you quoting this from?
     
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    Why would it being a choice even matter? Shouldn't people be free to choose?

    Why would people choose to be treated as second class citizens?
     
  9. Coleman2010 thread starter macrumors 68000

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    I don't believe it is a choice. My parent's told me I have been gay since I was little.

    They told me in kindergarten for valentines day I only made cards and gave candy to the boys. I didn't give anything to the girls. LOL They pointed out many things I did growing up.
     
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    LOL you're so cute.
     
  11. NewbieCanada macrumors 68030

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    I was adamant at a very young age that I was never going to get married and have children. And I always had mad crushes on male celebrities. (I've never been able to grasp gay men worshipping Barbra/judy/Madonna, etc.)
     
  12. Coleman2010 thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Same here
     
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    although I believe some people choose a gay lifestyle ... for most gay people it seems to be their natural feelings.

    Either way ... I just don't see why people even care that other people are gay or not.
     
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    And what sort of people would those be - heterosexuals who are just contrary and hate every minute of it? bisexuals who choose to suppress their heterosexual side?
     
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    I think that some people may "choose" to be gay, but the vast majority are born gay.
     
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    not really a "sort" of person as you describe it ... one example is a friend I know, he was married for 30 years and has grown sons, he chose to experiment with homosexuality and found he liked it.

    As he describes it ... not something he was born with, more of something that he was curious about and went with.
     
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    I can't speak for others. I look at womens' backsides and imagine having sex with them. Men's backsides don't have the same effect on me. ;)

    However I could imagine a situation where there were a lot of men having homosexual sex and an individual in their group decides to try it out as an experiment. This would be a hypothetical choice. However the final choice is the one that counts. For my example, which sex is the man sexually attracted to? The answer would be hetro, homo, or bi. I guess that means really there is no choice, just preferences. :)

    So is he choosing or is that his preference? Regardless of how he describes it, is it a choice or is that who he now is? :)
     
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    Did it ever occur to you he spent 30 years lying to himself or that he's incredibly lacking in self-awareness? Do you really think people just choose to experiment with homosexuality after 30 years of marriage on a whim and find it so appealing despite having no inborn inclination towards it that they just give up their marriage and whole identity?
     
  19. Coleman2010 thread starter macrumors 68000

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    That sounds like he is bisexual. Not gay.
     
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    No he is 100% gay ... he is in his 40s and has lived life. He has told me that he was not gay when he was younger and loved women.

    Now he says he is just not attracted to women anymore and it is only men who interest him.

    IMO ... he can't be the only person who feels like that and has gone through a change in their sexual preference.
     
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    I have never heard if that before. Are you sure he is being 100% honest with you? I could see him lying to you to cover for him entering into a marriage and deceiving his wife. To know he is attracted to men and get married anyway is a lie. He may have been having relationships with men the entire marriage. Are you very close that he would not lie?
     
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    I'm pretty sure he is who he is and has no reason to lie ... maybe it is because I know him and do not see it as some unbelievable story on his part.

    As I said, there must be others like him.
     
  23. Coleman2010 thread starter macrumors 68000

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    I don't know any.
     
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    Homosexuality is not a choice. It is state that one is born with. Who in the right mind would choose to be Gay, with all it's inherent problems. That said, I was born gay and I embrace it fully. Bisexuality may be an opt in, opt out, I do not know, but I have shared relationships with a number of bi-guys.

    KGB:cool:
     
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    I know exactly one person - the famous case of a stroke patient who converted to heterosexuality.

    Otherwise...I don't think it's possible...

    Not to sound ignorant, but did he suffer from any kind of head injury?
     

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