The infamous 'Daisy' Ad is back for 2016 campaign

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    Sounds like something a Trump supporter would say.

    Yeah, because her original ad against Goldwater worked!
     
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    But then it gave us nuclear-prone Johnson, incidentally the same guy that augmented the mess in Vietnam in one of the most idiotic moves in modern history... but that's a discussion for another time.
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    Why you should never trust the Daisy Ad:
    - "While Johnson wished to de-escalate the Vietnam War, Goldwater was a supporter and even suggested the use of nuclear weapons if necessary" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daisy_(advertisement) )

    - "Johnson escalated American involvement in the Vietnam War. In 1964, Congress passed the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which granted Johnson the power to use military force in Southeast Asia without having to ask for an official declaration of war. The number of American military personnel in Vietnam increased dramatically, from 16,000 advisors in non-combat roles in 1963,[3] to 550,000 in early 1968, many in combat roles. American casualties soared and the peace process bogged down. Growing unease with the war stimulated a large, angry antiwar movement based especially on university campuses in the U.S. and abroad." ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_B._Johnson )
     
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    Either this is a non sequitur, or, I am missing your point.
     
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    Why can't it be both? The point being that a woman whose only claim to anything is an political ad from 50 years ago is an expert in what exactly?
     
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    I think it's a bad move on HRC's camp part. I mean, yes, it will go on the newspapers for an hour, and it will be a small distraction. Other than that, most people will think of Johnson.
     
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    How was it idiotic? Communism and its spread are bad things, right?
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    Fear tactics. Just like taking words out of context. It always works. Doesn't matter who does it. In 2008, that's why more people voted for Obama. Tired of fear and other infantile crap.
     
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    Fighting an unwinnable war using a boatload of resources was incredibly stupid.
    In the end, the war was unofficially lost, the US lost many young kids, and nothing was gained from it.
     
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    More about why it is "infamous":

    http://www.smithsonianmag.com/histo...about-political-advertising-180958741/?no-ist

     
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    Why does Donald Trump think that Saudi Arabia should have nuclear weapons?

    The KSA's legitimacy rests on appeasing the theocratic elements within the Kingdom. And those theocratic elements-- oh boy have they caused problems for the United States.
     
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    Drawing attention to how the flippin' donald talks about nukes?
     
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    They already do, they are just sitting in Pakistan.
     
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    He's calling her overweight...

    Because misogyny.
     
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    To me this is a voter turnout ad aimed at Dems and at new voters who may be Dems. This year for the Clinton campaign is about getting out the Dem vote, not making converts.

    The leaning-Dem people with whom the ad resonates may become more strongly inclined to go vote for Clinton even if they never heard of Johnson (which is quite possible with younger voters, believe it or not). They also may have missed hearing of Donald Trump's stunning riffs on nuclear weapons "policy" the first time around. They see it, they hear Hayden... and Clinton becomes more appealing.

    The rest of the ad may fade into background unless one remembers the original "Daisy" ad. Daisy is for old timer Dems who may have been thinking about passing up the voting booth this year but now may arrive at "yeah, ya know I better get out there after all."

    James Carville said something interesting about the "prime voter" in the sights of Democratic Party vote hunters of older times and nowadays:

    In 1992, the most treasured voter was a voter that would sort of swing back and forth, one that might vote for Republican for president, Democrat for governor. The voter that didn’t have that strong of a partisan ID. These were the voters that we targeted.

    But because people have become much, much more partisan, the prime voter in 2016 is someone that you don’t know if they are going to vote, but if they vote they will vote Democratic.

    The prime voter in 1992 was a voter that you knew was going to vote, but you didn’t know how they were going to vote. I can’t emphasize that enough. That’s the biggest change in political presidential strategy that you have had, bar none.

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    http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/09/james-carville-presidential-election-2016
     
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    The 'Daisy Ad' ran once before the 1964 election and had little impact on the result. Less than a year after Kennedy's assassination and the nation still mourning, LBJ was always going to win in a landslide.
     
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    A Halloween ghost appears!
     
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    Well he has apparently collected $40-50 million from Saudi Royalty.
     
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    Source please?

    The Clintons are the ones collecting millions from the Saudis.

    You also understand that Huma was raised in Saudi Arabia and has close family ties to The Muslim Brotherhood... though saying so will get you attacked by the left.
     
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    Trump has business interests all throughout the Middle East himself. Seems he's more than happy to take money from those same people himself.

    How dare he take money from countries that enslave women, toss gays off roofs, and blah blah blah.
     
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    "Saudi Arabia – and I get along great with all of them. They buy apartments from me. They spend $40 million, $50 million. Am I supposed to dislike them? I like them very much."
    - Trump, in a speech he made in Mobile, Alabama last year
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?327751-1/donald-trump-campaign-rally-mobile-alabama
     
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    Not only that, she scrubbed her Twitter of all reference to Hillary. She knows what's coming.
     
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    Fear mongering? She also is an expert at being used by political scumbags.
     

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