"The iPhone can never replace portable gaming machines," says gamers

Blackberryroid

macrumors 6502a
Original poster
Aug 8, 2012
588
0
/private/var/vm/
Ahh, the glorious App Store. Over hundreds of thousands of apps waiting to be downloaded and discovered. Most of them, games.

I tried to argue with gamers that the iPhone is the future of mobile gaming and that the portable gaming machines (PSP, Nintendo DS) era is dead, they tried to fight back. They said that the iPhone can never ever replace them because the games are too childish (Angry Birds, Cut the rope) and graphics aren't good enough.

What are your thoughts?
 
Last edited:

BFizzzle

macrumors 68020
May 31, 2010
2,442
0
Austin TX
its getting there, but no it wont replace it anytime soon. Its biggest set back is no physical controls.
The graphics are getting impressive though thats for sure.
 

MrGimper

macrumors 603
Sep 22, 2012
6,101
6,384
Andover, UK
Ahh, the glorious App Store. Over hundreds of thousands of apps waiting to be downloaded and discovered. Most of them, games.

I tried to argue with gamers that the iPhone is the future of mobile gaming and that the portable gaming machines (PSP, Nintendo DS) era is dead, they tried to fight back. They said that the iPhone can never ever replace them because the games are too childish (Angry Birds, Cut the rope) and graphics aren't good enough.

What are your thoughts?
Like the games on any Nintendo platform aren't mostly childish.

iOS is a great gaming platform... the only downers are obviously battery life, and SOMETIMES physical buttons etc are better
 

phr0ze

macrumors 6502a
Jun 14, 2012
513
0
Columbia, MD
My issue is missing the popular NES titles. Would love to have zelda, mario, etc on there. Maybe one day Nintendo will go the way of sega and we can buy Zelda on the iphone.

I've tried many RPGs on the iphone. Some are ok. But they still seem to miss something.
 

OneMike

macrumors 603
Oct 19, 2005
5,620
1,506
Over time I see it happening for mobile games. However, not just the iPhone.

I see iPhone, iPad as well as many android powered devices taking the place of the DS and similar.

Controls are a big issue though and I dont' see it happening any time until that improves.
 

LaunchpadBS

macrumors 6502a
Nov 11, 2008
653
0
iLondon/iDurban
This debate's been going on for yonks now!
I remember when the previous PSP got a spec bump, some people were like "Who cares, next year I'll be playing those games on my smart phone" and yet 4 years later most of us gamers (not the hardcore) are still waiting.

The problem is the big gaming houses need to start bringing real titles, not just ones that are easy to adapt to the touch screen interface, to the market but that wont happen until there's a better control mechanism.

I bought MC3 and a few other 'top' app games but I just can't get a hang of the contols and while the games look great I get frustrated and just give up(I have large thumbs).
Apple need to cut the crap and license a controller type attachment. I'd happily carry that around for when I wanted to do some gaming.
 

Small White Car

macrumors G4
Aug 29, 2006
10,889
1,125
Washington DC
The iPhone will never replace professional SLR cameras.
But it will replace a ton of point-and-shoots.

The iPhone will never replace dedicated gaming machines for serious gamers.
But it will replace a ton of little Nintendos that casual gamers used to own.

Same story. The iPhone will never totally kill a dedicated device market, but it will chop it up and shrink it down to just the extreme ends of it. The days of seeing businessmen playing sudoku games on Nintendo DS's on my train are over.
 

Interstella5555

macrumors 603
Jun 30, 2008
5,215
4
Ahh, the glorious App Store. Over hundreds of thousands of apps waiting to be downloaded and discovered. Most of them, games.

I tried to argue with gamers that the iPhone is the future of mobile gaming and that the portable gaming machines (PSP, Nintendo DS) era is dead, they tried to fight back. They said that the iPhone can never ever replace them because the games are too childish (Angry Birds, Cut the rope) and graphics aren't good enough.

What are your thoughts?
I'm a gamer. The iPhone will never be a good portable gaming machine.

Like the games on any Nintendo platform aren't mostly childish.

iOS is a great gaming platform... the only downers are obviously battery life, and SOMETIMES physical buttons etc are better
I don't think gamers have an issue with the type of game that's coming out as much as the quality and control of said games. I watch Pixar movies and also loved The Raid:Retribution. I have a PS3 at home but sometimes I want to play my Wii or Gamcube games as well. The real problem is screen real estate, controls, and blowing battery for often sub-par games on my main communications device. If you have a game that truly works well with touch/motion controls, great. The problem is, like with the Wii, that no one is really putting any effort into truly using the phone's strengths and just shoehorning games in with, yes, I'll say it, gimmicky touch controls. A touch pad can't possibly replicate the 16 separate inputs a modern gaming controller has.

Show them Infinity blade II and Asphalt 7 and see what they think.
Ahhh, the old "graphics make a game good" argument. You know what looked good? Avatar. You know what was also an incredibly bad move? Avatar. Mobile games are pretty much the equivalent of direct to DVD movies, you're not going to find a LotR or Dark Knight Rises equivalent, the best you can hope for is a some pleasant time diversion. I'm not saying that I don't enjoy some of the "games" on my phone, I'm saying that you can't compare the gaming experience on a 3DS or a Vita with what you're getting on an Android or iOS offering.

----------

My issue is missing the popular NES titles. Would love to have zelda, mario, etc on there. Maybe one day Nintendo will go the way of sega and we can buy Zelda on the iphone.

I've tried many RPGs on the iphone. Some are ok. But they still seem to miss something.
You're dreaming. Mario, Master Chief and Nathan Drake are never making it onto ANY non-first party hardware.
 

oplix

Suspended
Jun 29, 2008
1,457
485
New York, NY
I just bought FIFA 13 and I can confidently say that if games like these keep coming out, I will soon find no use for my playstation 3.
 

Marco123

macrumors 6502a
Jun 14, 2012
684
126
My son's ipod touch and our family ipad has replaced his 3DS and the xbox360 has not been turned on in over 6 months.
Why? Because of the ease of play and price of games.
Although the next-gen of consoles are going to have to be something special for us to invest in them again.
 

Philalbe

macrumors 6502
Jun 11, 2010
255
0
Greater Boston Area
Show them Infinity blade II and Asphalt 7 and see what they think.
I agree. As a "horror/survival" fan I have to say that "Dead Trigger" also has amazing graphics. iOS devices definitely have the horsepower now for great graphics and gameplay, the only question left is whether the absence of physical controls needs addressing.
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
11,334
1,710
I don't like on screen controls. I'll use my tablet with a PS3 controller often though. It's really nice using emulators to play those old school games.

Goldeneye



If the iPhone had USB hosting I'd probably use it a bit more for gaming. Until then I'll just stick to games like sudoku and card games.
 

Jman13

macrumors 68000
Aug 7, 2011
1,509
150
Columbus, OH
Ahhh, the old "graphics make a game good" argument. You know what looked good? Avatar. You know what was also an incredibly bad move? Avatar. Mobile games are pretty much the equivalent of direct to DVD movies, you're not going to find a LotR or Dark Knight Rises equivalent, the best you can hope for is a some pleasant time diversion. I'm not saying that I don't enjoy some of the "games" on my phone, I'm saying that you can't compare the gaming experience on a 3DS or a Vita with what you're getting on an Android or iOS offering.


No. I'm definitely not a graphics make the game kind of guy. Fact is those games, while obviously not as deep as a dedicated platform game, have excellent controls that are suited to the device (I can't stand games on iOS that have a 'virtual D-pad'....they're useless to control), and the games are fun. They've both got great gameplay and great graphics. Slingshot racing and Real Racing are also really well done. Slingshot is great because it's super simple, looks great, and yet is challenging and unique.

You're not going to replicate the same experience you get with dedicated game systems. The control schemes are just too different. That said, there are some really fun games for iOS. Yes, many of them are 'cute' or puzzle type games, but they pull it off well.

Of course Angry Birds made 'pick up and go' gaming quite attractive, and did it well. Osmos is both beautiful, with great controls, and challenging. Racing games use the accelerometer really well, and games like Infinity Blade have figured out unique ways to use the touch screen for great control.
 

VivaLaFisica

macrumors regular
Sep 17, 2012
139
1
The argument is mute. It's about opinion.

For some, it will, others it won't.

Speaking for myself, NOVA 3 is amazing to play on my iPad.
 

donrsd

macrumors 6502
Dec 16, 2011
268
1
South Florida
Anyone else remember that 60 Beat controller that came out?

Plugs into the headphone jack and a full ps3/360 controller :)

Only negative is there are only 25 games that are supported (up from 10 the last time I checked about 6 months ago)
 

scaredpoet

macrumors 604
Apr 6, 2007
6,626
342
I tried to argue with gamers that the iPhone is the future of mobile gaming and that the portable gaming machines (PSP, Nintendo DS) era is dead, they tried to fight back.
This is as silly and shortsighted as saying that PCs are dead because the iPad is the future of computing.

Of course the iPhone won't fully replace mobile gaming devices, nor should it. It's an excellent gaming device with lots of potential, and will compete quite well. Not to mention it has the advantage of being a device people already carry with them, everyday, everywhere. But the iPhone will never be the ONLY mobile gaming platform for every gamer, ever. No more so that the iPhone should be the only phone every used by any phone user, ever.

----------

I'm a gamer. The iPhone will never be a good portable gaming machine.
This argument is just as shortsighted and invalid as the opposite extreme. The simple fact is, not everyone plays the same games, nor do they all play the same games in the same way.

The iPhone is a gaming device, that is excellent for the way some people play games. Just liek the Nintendo DS or PSP is a great device for some gamers, but not preferred by others. It is neither universally bad or good, nor will it universally replace anything else out there.
 

MuddyPaws1

macrumors 6502
Jul 14, 2012
398
0
Might just be me, but my iPhone doesn't have a DVD slot. They may have forgotten to put that in mine.
 

dontwalkhand

macrumors 603
Jul 5, 2007
5,199
1,200
I use my iPhone for casual gaming. I don't own any portable consoles, and don't see the need for one.

Also in public it is more 'socially accepted' to play on your phone than a 'gaming device' when you're 23 waiting in a waiting room at a doctor's office. (Gah I hate sounding so superficial)
 

mzjin

macrumors 6502
Oct 28, 2011
412
0
Show them Infinity blade II and Asphalt 7 and see what they think.
Infinity Blade is trash. Absolute trash. On the level of Angry Birds but prettier.

----------

This is as silly and shortsighted as saying that PCs are dead because the iPad is the future of computing.

Of course the iPhone won't fully replace mobile gaming devices, nor should it. It's an excellent gaming device with lots of potential, and will compete quite well. Not to mention it has the advantage of being a device people already carry with them, everyday, everywhere. But the iPhone will never be the ONLY mobile gaming platform for every gamer, ever. No more so that the iPhone should be the only phone every used by any phone user, ever.

----------



This argument is just as shortsighted and invalid as the opposite extreme. The simple fact is, not everyone plays the same games, nor do they all play the same games in the same way.

The iPhone is a gaming device, that is excellent for the way some people play games. Just liek the Nintendo DS or PSP is a great device for some gamers, but not preferred by others. It is neither universally bad or good, nor will it universally replace anything else out there.
The iPHone can play some games well enough. I like Ascension (board/card game) and it works well.

For anything serious and lasting longer than 10 minutes?

Nope. Compared to something like the new Playstation, it can't hold a candle because well... the games on the iPhones are generally terrible in control, depth, and are always coded for the least common denominator (iPhone 3GS? Maybe 4 now?).
 

MH01

Suspended
Feb 11, 2008
12,118
9,216
The gamers are correct. It will not replace the dedicated devices, but it will win over the casual gamers.

If you think it replaces these devices , then I would argue your not a hardcore gamer, and need to accept thier views which will probably be around the physical controls

FYI , angry birds is a time waster and not a gamers game .
 

scaredpoet

macrumors 604
Apr 6, 2007
6,626
342
The iPHone can play some games well enough. I like Ascension (board/card game) and it works well.

For anything serious and lasting longer than 10 minutes?

Nope.
For you. Which is again my point. Not everyone is you, and not everyone plays games, or wants to play games, the exact same way you do.

This is the same logical trap that Apple fanboys and Fandroids fall into, every time: that everyone's preferences and behaviors are the same, and anyone using anything else is just being stupid.